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CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian Ship

CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian Ship

Information is leaking out of the United Kingdom that the US Navy used its new marine surveillance aircraft to provide accurate targeting data to Ukrainian forces to sink the Russian Black Sea flag ship Moskva on April 13. 

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-1 # CRITICAL INTEL!Rick Geise 2022-04-20 22:23
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2022/04/joel-skousen-globalists-plan-a-premptive-nuclear-first-strike-on-u-s-dr-reiner-fuellmich/
# RE: CRITICAL INTEL!PastorK 2022-04-21 17:05
Quoting rageise:
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2022/04/joel-skousen-globalists-plan-a-premptive-nuclear-first-strike-on-u-s-dr-reiner-fuellmich/


I listened to some of what Dr. Fuellmich said. He's talking about older version nuclear weapons, which he doesn't believe Russia will use. But Russia's nuclear arsenal has advanced beyond the first generation weapons. Now nuclear weapons are so efficient that it is possible to detonate a nuclear weapon and leave no nuclear residue to contaminate the area.
-5 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian Shipmjc 2022-04-20 21:07
Perhaps a P3 did provide the targeting data.
Perpaps that data sank the Moskva.

Yet.....no worse than what Russia provided to North Vietnam during the Vietnam war.

And in fact....Russian pilots FLEW against US pilots during tIhe Vietnam war.

I see this as fare recompense.....50yrs later.

Russia is being decimated.
It doesn 't matter if you agree with that or not.
NATO is systematically dismantaling Russia, using Ukiraine a proxy.

And yet.....Russia (and their sycophant clowns in the US) seem to ignore that.


It's pathetic.

Russia is being evicerated....but refuses to accept or recognice that.

And THAT is why they will lose.

FWIW......
I could NOT care less who wins here.
Both Ukraine and Russia are as dirty as they come.

Let them kill each other.....until they're so sick of the killing that they ask for help.

At that point....we do our/m BEST to help /mediate.
+1 # Still agreeBirdie99 2022-04-21 02:59
Still in overall point You are totally right. It’s payback for Korea and Vietnam. Also look up operation charmed. There’s a book about it too. Captured US pilots in Vietnam sent to the Soviet gulag to train Russian infiltrators how to talk like Americans. Also watch all the vids by ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov. They totally destroyed America’s culture with all their deep infiltration psyops and multi decade propaganda campaigns. Losing their ship Just a little payback for decades of evil. And the Ukrainians know the evil first hand from people like Stalin. Americans were duped by the phony end of the Cold War. The American media foiled everybody Conservatives, Liberals, left right and center. The Ukrainians we’re not duped. The Russians still haven’t apologized to Ukraine or America about Stalin. Stalin captured at least 15,000 Americans in WW2 who were prisoners of the Germans. Did he return them home? NOPE. He he sent them to the Soviet gulag. Then showed more gratitude to the US for helping him beat the Germans by starting the Korean War which killed tens of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Koreans. And Russia considers him a national hero. A hero who murdered millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor genocide in the 1930’s. Americans may have forgotten all this stuff but the Ukrainians haven’t forgotten.
+1 # Yes but…Birdie99 2022-04-21 02:44
Yes but the Ukrainian people live in under a thoroughly corrupt government because it was that way under the USSR and they’ve never effectively purged it. After the fake fall of communism the inner communist party members became “The oligarchs”. This includes the Ukrainian “oligarchs”. Many of those oligarchs still connected at the hip to Putin and the oligarchs in Russia. The other corrupt leaders in bed with klaus schwab and those WEF scumbags. Point is: the Ukrainians sincerely want to be free. That’s why they are fighting so hard. They want to be out from under Russia. They’ve been under Russia since at least Katherine the great. They’re really really tired of it.
-6 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian Shipmjc 2022-04-20 20:24
Perhaps a P3 did provide the targeting data.
Perhaps that data sank the Moskva.

Yet.....no worse than what Russia provided to North Vietnam during the Vietnam war.

And in fact....Russian pilots FLEW against US pilots during tIhe Vietnam war.


Payback's a bitch.
Russian pilots shot down our planes in Vietnam and Koriea,

Boo..hoo...we told the Ukrainians where their cruiser was, and they sank it.

Their cruiser was effectively defenseless due to obsolesence.

It should not have been there.
Russia lost it due to gross incompetence.

They are losing....ane WILL lose....this war for the same reason.

This WAS their war to lose. And they HAVE ALREADY lost it.
+1 # The Moskva Was PossiblyForrest Mosby 2022-04-20 17:07
A sacrificial lamb, placed in a non-survivable missile environment for ‘A Larger Purpose’, which we dont see yet…it was a dinosaur well past its prime
+1 # UK Throwing USA Under the Bus, Pinning the Tail on the DonkeyOccamsRazor 2022-04-20 15:36
Wow, after the Brit Mercenaries were captured, the UK is stinking of involvement, and so they want to Pin the blame on the Democrat admin. They sure are showing themselves to be a real Spartcus (I am Sparticus!) , er I mean Brute where they will stab anyone in the back. Wow. NATO sure is going feral.
+9 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian ShipPesky Varmint 2022-04-20 12:41
My personal speculation is that China and Russia agreed beforehand that China would observe what happens with Russia to better prepare themselves for Taiwan invasion.

Also, the fiction book "Twilights Last Gleaming" suggests that when the US loses its first major military asset like an aircraft carrier that the US would come unglued internally with massive social unrest approaching civil war. I wish I could believe that but I think the problem with the US is that as long as they have NASCAR, NFL, and Kardashians that they US population won't get off their obese butts and engage in massive unrest. Way too lazy.

That's my speculation for the day, and typically nothing in the real world plays out the way I think so don't worry about it. Except for the apathy of US citizens.
+2 # RE : ClaimTim421 2022-04-20 16:33
As long as the internet is on most will stay home. Take the cell phones down and most will freak out
+5 # But the thing is,oldschool 2022-04-20 13:21
When the U.S. becomes unglued there won't be any NASCAR, NFL, or Kardashians for the Lazy butts to watch anymore. Then what is going to happen,,,,,, to lazy butts ??
+2 # Then what will happen?Gregg W 2022-04-20 13:42
See Mad Max movies or any other Post-Apocalyptic movie or tv show.
+1 # RE: Then what will happen?Redlist Renegade 2022-04-20 15:53
Max was Right ! In the end only the Mad survive (as in Fighting Mad) !!!
+3 # RE: But the thing is,Pesky Varmint 2022-04-20 13:25
Excellent point oldschool.

The book I pointed out, though fiction, has what seems to be predictions on the chaos. For example when people riot in the upper northwest the government sends troop to quell them.
When the public in Texas is threatening to riot the government starts making an effort to send in troops until the Texas governer basically says don't you dare. Because in Texas you can be sure that the majority of the populace is well armed and best left alone.
+4 # RE: But the thing is,Pesky Varmint 2022-04-20 13:27
Oops instead of ""not in the upper northwest" should read "people in the upper northeast". Never figured out how to edit a previous post even if it is possible.
+6 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian Shipebelfer52 2022-04-20 12:34
wouldn't be surprised if the US or UK advisors on the ground in Ukraine pulled the trigger
+8 # I'm sure soonSrmay72 2022-04-20 11:44
When their saviour comes and "reveals the truth" my butt, you will hear that ship was carrying evidence of NATOs mass genocide on humanity. But hey he has a new commodity backed electronic dollar your debt wiped clean and the super soldier shot they have been working on for years is now tweaked so cancer, heart disease, etc and now you will live like in the Bible 500 years, I DONT WANT TO LIVE HERE ONE SRCOND LONGER THEN GOD SAYS PERIOD.
+4 # Unlikely but possibleSBGlett77 2022-04-20 11:38
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So I get from the comments that Russia, to justify a retaliatory attack, would have to present difficult-to-obtain hard evidence on the world stage; evidence which would be ignored by the Western media.

So then, rather than a direct accusation as a grounds for retaliating, a possible response by Russia might be to assist the Chinese with targeting on one of our carriers in the South China Sea. China has been itching to start it up with Taiwan, and Russian assistance would give Russia plausible deniability, and set things off for China.

China right now needs the public distracted from its economic woes and Shanghai fiasco. Bingo, we're in a two-front war, which the neocons of course insist we can win. ( The two fronts are: expensive materiel sent to Ukraine along with troops into Poland, and Communist China )

China/Russia have developed a number of very potent anti-ship missiles in several attack modes; some even cloaked and non-detectable.

This would be playing dirty in a tit-for-tat, and with the same result - who to blame for the enhanced accuracy and lethality?

As the title says, not likely, but something we better watch out for. Russian tacticians are clever; ours are mostly woke.
# Damnit.Gregg W 2022-04-20 13:15
Tried to give you a thumbs up. You can guess what happened. Arrrgggghhhh.
-8 # RE: Unlikely but possiblePaul Kurzlee 2022-04-20 11:53
Quoting SBGlett77:
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So I get from the comments that Russia, to justify a retaliatory attack, would have to present difficult-to-obtain hard evidence on the world stage; evidence which would be ignored by the Western media.

So then, rather than a direct accusation as a grounds for retaliating, a possible response by Russia might be to assist the Chinese with targeting on one of our carriers in the South China Sea. China has been itching to start it up with Taiwan, and Russian assistance would give Russia plausible deniability, and set things off for China.

China right now needs the public distracted from its economic woes and Shanghai fiasco. Bingo, we're in a two-front war, which the neocons of course insist we can win. ( The two fronts are: expensive materiel sent to Ukraine along with troops into Poland, and Communist China )

China/Russia have developed a number of very potent anti-ship missiles in several attack modes; some even cloaked and non-detectable.

This would be playing dirty in a tit-for-tat, and with the same result - who to blame for the enhanced accuracy and lethality?

As the title says, not likely, but something we better watch out for. Russian tacticians are clever; ours are mostly woke.

The Putin probably would not eeven do that. He would be worrying too much about his **partners** and therefor refuse to get into it. Like he does on the home front....NOTHING. No retaliation for the ship. Its been a week now. WTF is the Putin doing about it?? NOTHING. Next week at this time the story will be the same. Probably MORE attacks on Russia and NO response from the USELESS Putin. On and on it goes. Week after week.
-16 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian ShipPaul Kurzlee 2022-04-20 11:33
The Putin Arse wipe ALWAYS has another excuse to refrain from doing his duty. This time his lame excuse is he cant prove which unit did it or whatever. Even IF he could his outright refusal to respond is sickening. What a cowardly POS he is. One excuse after the other. WEAKLING. Bawk Bawk Bawk Why does the Putin REFUSE to target them? This COWARD allows these things to happen without response. So far NO retaliation for the ship. NOTHING. Useless POS he is.
+4 # Maybe thisSBGlett77 2022-04-20 12:12
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Maybe the Russian strategy is to force us to commit resources to every possible contingency of attack by Russia, not knowing what they will do, or where, or when. I have already seen stories of Congressmen complaining we are depleting some of our best common-fielded weapons for Ukraine. Contracts are being let to replenish these. What is the lead time ?

Maybe Russia also realizes that in causing us to react to everything, our huge budget deficit becomes more unmanageable and fatal. We have already started on the immutable path to hyperinflation as we keep printing money ( aka issuing Treasury Notes bought up by our own Fed ) to "rescue" everything.

Do some math here: March Wholesale Producer Index was up 11%. That's an exponential X^0.11. What if April's is 20% ( likely ) ? Then we are dealing with an exponent growing at an exponential rate ! That runs away so fast it's incomprehensible. VERY soon, nobody will take the U.S.' credit or printed money, including our own Defense Contractors. Who will force the employees to come to work for worthless money ? Who will force the suppliers' employees to come to work, etc. ?

Also, as a military strategy, ambiguity of response is one of the most devastating to an enemy. We know they can do any number of very nasty things, yet they hold their peace - very unnerving.
+4 # Disarming AmericaGregg W 2022-04-20 13:23
If biden succeeds in sending troops and more weapons to Europe, he will essentially be disarming us.

If China plans to attack and invade, they would have a much easier time.

I know. 300 million guns in this country! They wouldn’t dare.

Our guns aren’t gonna help against tanks, bombs or more modern weapons. Maybe we could mount some guerilla war for a while but with no resupply, what can you do?

I’m not saying we shouldn’t fight, but it won’t look good.

Biden is even depleting our Emergency Oil Reserves. It’s like he’s following a written plan to prepare a nation to be invaded.
+3 # I imagine...PastorK 2022-04-20 16:26
...that's exactly what he's doing.
+2 # His partSrmay72 2022-04-20 12:11
Funny to read countless comments about why they didn't do this or that and you "STILL" can't see this is nothing more then reason to cull billions and blame it on war. Seriously step back and pray it's black and white. They need borders drawn for the antichrist system Taiwan isn't the only country yet to be taken. ITS NOT COMING, "ITS HERE"
+3 # Ol' Nickjjboia 2022-04-20 12:51
When I saw Zelenskyy give his video address to the US Congress (and to other nations' legislatures), I thought to myself, "Nicolae Carpathia himself couldn't have done better." Time will tell, I guess.
+5 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian Shipselah 2022-04-20 11:57
ya know, you don't know!. you don't know Putins' long term game plan. so i'm tired of you bashing him. he is not the ungodly deviant as our government is. bash the us and nato countries if you want, but Putin has done nothing to warrant your bullshit. STFU
# RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian ShipFaith11 2022-04-21 13:54
I agree with you. There is a reason a flag was flying from a bridge in New York City, a few years back with Putin the Peacemaker on it, that is because some astute people were paying attention . Russia is cleaning house in Ukraine liberating Ukraine from Nazi's . I actually have a clip of Putin giving a stunning speech about how he is going to stop the depopulationist I'm going to email the clip to Hal and see if he will post it .
+3 # WARjroot 2022-04-20 11:12
This, in itself, is operational foreign interference into the Russian Federations Ukraine actions. Punishable by Putin's threat of immediate response. The problem is: unless Putin can prove the coordinates transmission took place, and from which aircraft, it is a non-starter for a response. The aircraft would transmit a highly encrypted message and the Ukrainians would have to have the equipment for decryption and also know which frequency. Of course, that equipment would be provided by the US along with training for its use "unless" there were boots on the ground for that purpose.
+5 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian ShipDov Sar 2022-04-20 11:09
Neptun missiles could theoretically have taken the Moskva out, but they are relatively new missiles and had some guidance issues, and only a 330 lb. warhead. They had limited testing and were supposed to hit the fleet last year, but were still in process. Besides, Russian aviation would have exterminated any anti-ship battery near the coast when their pride and joy was sailing nearby. Also, a pair of Neptunes might have hit anywhere on the ship, but likely not with that pinpoint accuracy. I would consider this Neptune scenario very unlikely.

A P-8 however, can carry SLAM-ER which has an 800 lb. warhead and pinpoint accuracy. What if the P-8 launched from in or near Romanian airspace, and guided the missile(s) around to the shore side and directed the hit right on the Moskva's missile batteries? You would get exactly what you saw in the big fireball and sinking.

The Russians would see the launch from space assets and know we did it; also post investigation of the wreckage might confirm it. I hope I am wrong, because this would be a direct attack on Russia by sinking their flagship, and we could then expect total war with them.

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/neptun.htm
-10 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian ShipPaul Kurzlee 2022-04-20 11:45
Quoting Dov Sar:
Neptun missiles could theoretically have taken the Moskva out, but they are relatively new missiles and had some guidance issues, and only a 330 lb. warhead. They had limited testing and were supposed to hit the fleet last year, but were still in process. Besides, Russian aviation would have exterminated any anti-ship battery near the coast when their pride and joy was sailing nearby. Also, a pair of Neptunes might have hit anywhere on the ship, but likely not with that pinpoint accuracy. I would consider this Neptune scenario very unlikely.

A P-8 however, can carry SLAM-ER which has an 800 lb. warhead and pinpoint accuracy. What if the P-8 launched from in or near Romanian airspace, and guided the missile(s) around to the shore side and directed the hit right on the Moskva's missile batteries? You would get exactly what you saw in the big fireball and sinking.

The Russians would see the launch from space assets and know we did it; also post investigation of the wreckage might confirm it. I hope I am wrong, because this would be a direct attack on Russia by sinking their flagship, and we could then expect total war with them.

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/neptun.htm

The Putin IDIOT still REFUSES to retaliate. How many more decades is this going to take for a response? Of equal value? I wish they would replace the Putin with a hardliner. Then the response would already right now be done. Russia needs to respond to each and every provocation RIGHT AWAY. But the USELESS Putin won't. So nato keeps attacking him. Duh........
-10 # RE: CLAIM: U.S. Navy P-8 Spy Plane Provided Coordinates for Ukraine to Attack Russian ShipPaul Kurzlee 2022-04-20 11:37
Quoting Dov Sar:
Neptun missiles could theoretically have taken the Moskva out, but they are relatively new missiles and had some guidance issues, and only a 330 lb. warhead. They had limited testing and were supposed to hit the fleet last year, but were still in process. Besides, Russian aviation would have exterminated any anti-ship battery near the coast when their pride and joy was sailing nearby. Also, a pair of Neptunes might have hit anywhere on the ship, but likely not with that pinpoint accuracy. I would consider this Neptune scenario very unlikely.

A P-8 however, can carry SLAM-ER which has an 800 lb. warhead and pinpoint accuracy. What if the P-8 launched from in or near Romanian airspace, and guided the missile(s) around to the shore side and directed the hit right on the Moskva's missile batteries? You would get exactly what you saw in the big fireball and sinking.

The Russians would see the launch from space assets and know we did it; also post investigation of the wreckage might confirm it. I hope I am wrong, because this would be a direct attack on Russia by sinking their flagship, and we could then expect total war with them.

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/neptun.htm

The USELESS Putin REFUSES to retaliate. So WTF are you taslking about here. Dont matter if nato did it. The USELESS putin won't respond.
+5 # Big retaliations take timeDov Sar 2022-04-20 12:16
He just tested a sarmat. What if he is testing it before he uses a bunch of them?
+8 # Disturbing RumorDoug Brown 2022-04-20 11:02
There is a heart-wrenching rumor that the
sunk Russian Ship had a sliver of the true Cross
on board, and that it was lost.
Protestants scorn venerated relics but Catholics and
Orthodox do not. The Russians are far more
religious than Catholics and Protestants,
unfortunately. Catholics used to regard piety and
Holy acts, but generally not any more.
The Russians, on the other hand, would esteem
A piece of the True Cross with the greatest
reverence, and may answer the question as
to why they are so passed off.
+7 # Not Good!PastorK 2022-04-20 10:51
Putin will not take kindly to such news. It could be very costly to one of our ships and possibly much more than that.
-12 # RE: Not Good!Paul Kurzlee 2022-04-20 11:38
Quoting PastorK:
Putin will not take kindly to such news. It could be very costly to one of our ships and possibly much more than that.

Sure. Dream on buddy. Joke of the day award goes to YOU.
# Are you suggesting...PastorK 2022-04-20 12:18
...that sinking an American ship isn't possible?
-2 # RE: Are you suggesting...Paul Kurzlee 2022-04-20 20:51
Quoting PastorK:
...that sinking an American ship isn't possible?

Probably NOT with the Putin in charge. What will his **partners** think if he retaliates?? OOoooh sounz soooo scary ooooooh.
-3 # Possible yes,oldschool 2022-04-20 13:02
But is it probable ? I'll believe it when I see it.

 

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