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Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia War

Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia War

Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel yesterday admitted that her participation in the Minsk Agreements between Ukraine and Russia in 2014 and 2015, was a deliberate deception; designed only to "buy time" for Ukraine to build its army for war with Russia.  A war that is now presently taking place.

All this was PLANNED . . .

It is widely known that so-called "Conspiracy Theorists" believe almost all of the things going on politically in the world are "theater."  They claim that the upheaval, dislocation, troubles are "all planned" long in advance.   Most folks discount such claims as being too fantastic to believe, yet now we have actual proof that the present Ukraine-Russia war, was, in fact, planned as far back as 2014.  All the troubles we have today from that war  . . . were, in fact, planned.

In public remarks this week, Angela Merkel quite casually revealed that the Minsk Agreements of 2014 and 2015 were not signed with the intention of achieving lasting peace.  Instead, they were signed, according to Merkel, "to buy time" for Ukraine during which it would strengthen for new conflicts with Russia.

She also admitted that at the time "NATO was not able to provide military support to the Kiev regime to the extent to which it does so today."

Merkel went on to point out that "Ukraine used that time to get stronger" and event went so far as to say "the Ukraine from 2014-2015 is not the Ukraine we see today" and that Russian President Vladimir Putin "would have easily run over" Ukraine back then.

Bear in mind that the Minsk Agreements were hammered-out during what were described as "marathon negotiations" in one case, lasting a non-stop nineteen hours, between then-Ukraine-President Petro Poroshenko, German Chancellor Merkel, French President Francois Holland, and Russian President Vladimir Putin. 

It was only this past June, 2022, when the world found out that Ukraine's former President Petro Poroshenko publicly admitted he deliberately LIED at the Minsk agreements, participating in them even though he already knew he had no intentional at all of implementing them.

In an interview with German Television Deutche Welle, Poroshenko said the Minsk agreements “meant nothing” and claimed credit for giving Kiev enough time to militarize

Petro Poroshenko admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended to buy time for Kiev to rebuild its military.

He made the comments in interviews with several news outlets back in June of this year, including to Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and to the Ukrainian branch of the US state-run Radio Free Europe. Poroshenko also defended his record as president between 2014 and 2019.

“We had achieved everything we wanted,” he said of the peace deal. “Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”

He cited Sun Tzu’s stratagems as an inspiration for the deception. Winning a war does not necessarily require winning military engagements, Poroshenko said, calling the deal he made a win for Ukraine in that regard.

In the interviews, Poroshenko spoke about his role in negotiating the Minsk agreements, a roadmap for reconciliation between his government and the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. The former president apparently confirmed that Kiev hadn’t come to the talks in good faith, but simply wanted a reprieve after suffering a military defeat.

Now, with the comments made by former German Chancellor Angela Merekel, the world finds out that she, too, was "in on it."  She KNEW the entire Minsk Agreement meetings were nothing more than a farce, yet she sat through those meetings, face-to-face with the President of Russia, and deliberately, willfully, LIED right to his face.

What kind of people must Merkel and Poroshenko be, that, as heads of state, (or even just as plain, ordinary people) they could willfully sit at a serious negotiation for peace, when in reality, they were simply planning for a much worse war, years later?   Does that make Merkel and Poroshenko Sociopaths? Psychopaths?

Based on web definitions of sociopath and psychopath, both people may very well qualify for those diagnosis.

FROM WEB MD:

You may have heard people call someone else a “psychopath” or a “sociopath.” But what do those words really mean?

You won’t find the definitions in mental health’s official handbook, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Doctors don’t officially diagnose people as psychopaths or sociopaths. They use a different term instead: antisocial personality disorder.

Most experts believe psychopaths and sociopaths share a similar set of traits. People like this have a poor inner sense of right and wrong. They also can’t seem to understand or share another person’s feelings. But there are some differences, too.

Do They Have a Conscience?

A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether he has a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong, says L. Michael Tompkins, EdD. He's a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center.

A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he’s not “found out,” Tompkins says.

A sociopath typically has a conscience, but it’s weak. They may know that taking your money is wrong, and they might feel some guilt or remorse, but that won’t stop their behavior.

Both lack empathy, the ability to stand in someone else’s shoes and understand how they feel. But a psychopath has less regard for others, says Aaron Kipnis, PhD, author of The Midas Complex. Someone with this personality type sees others as objects he can use for his own benefit.

They’re Not Always Violent

In movies and TV shows, psychopaths and sociopaths are usually the villains who kill or torture innocent people. In real life, some people with antisocial personality disorder can be violent, but most are not. Instead they use manipulation and reckless behavior to get what they want.

“At worst, they’re cold, calculating killers,” Kipnis says. Others, he says, are skilled at climbing their way up the corporate ladder, even if they have to hurt someone to get there.

If you recognize some of these traits in a family member or coworker, you may be tempted to think you’re living or working with a psychopath or sociopath. But just because a person is mean or selfish, it doesn’t necessarily mean they have a disorder.

'Cold-Hearted Psychopath, Hot-Headed Sociopath'

It’s not easy to spot a psychopath. They can be intelligent, charming, and good at mimicking emotions. They may pretend to be interested in you, but in reality, they probably don’t care.

“They’re skilled actors whose sole mission is to manipulate people for personal gain,” Tompkins says.

Sociopaths are less able to play along. They make it plain that they’re not interested in anyone but themselves. They often blame others and have excuses for their behavior.

Some experts see sociopaths as “hot-headed.” They act without thinking how others will be affected.

Psychopaths are more “cold-hearted” and calculating. They carefully plot their moves, and use aggression in a planned-out way to get what they want. If they’re after more money or status in the office, for example, they’ll make a plan to take out any barriers that stand in the way, even if it’s another person’s job or reputation.

Brain Differences

Recent research suggests a psychopath’s brain is not like other people’s. It may have physical differences that make it hard for the person to identify with someone else’s distress.

The differences can even change basic body functions. For example, when most people see blood or violence in a movie, their hearts beat faster, their breathing quickens, and their palms get sweaty.

A psychopath has the opposite reaction. He gets calmer. Kipnis says that quality helps psychopaths be fearless and engage in risky behavior.

“They don’t fear the consequences of their actions,” he says.

Draw your own conclusion if Merkel and Poroshenko meet the definitions of sociopath or psychopath cited above.

Which brings us all back to the "Conspiracy Theorists" who warn us that all the things going on in the world are carefully planned and scripted "theater."  Clearly, since we now know that the Minsk Agreements were a farce, entered into willingly by Poroshenko and Merkel, that the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine __was__ actually planned, as far back as 2014!

The other participant in the Minsk Agreements, Francois Holland of France, has not said if he, too, was aware that the effort was a farce, but since both France and Germany are NATO members and allies, it seems logical to believe President Holland of France would have known too.

Which leaves President Vladimir Putin, of the Russian Federation.  We now find out he was deliberately deceived by both Ukraine and Germany during both the Minsk one and Minsk two meetings.  

What is he to do?   

Clearly, Ukraine cannot ever be believed again; it's very top leader willfully lied - twice - for the express purpose of building an army to fight a war with Russia.

Clearly Germany cannot ever be believed again; it's leader participated in the willful deception.

France . . . it's likely they were "in on it" but we just don't know right now.

Oh, and the most important party regarding the Minsk Agreements -a party who was NOT ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING -- the United States . . . under then President Barak Obama, HAD TO KNOW the meetings were a deception.  It seems impossible that the largest, most important member of NATO, the USA, did not know.

So how can Russia believe __anything__ the United States says, when it, too, seems to have been part of the deliberate deception?

The major "takeaway" from all this is the simple reality that the present Ukraine-Russia war __was__ planned . . . as far back as the year 2014.   Ukraine INTENDED to have a war.  YEt now that they have gotten what they planned, WE in the US and NATO, are expected to cough up tens of billions of dollars in cash and weapons, to "help" them.

"Poor Ukraine" we hear.  "They've been invaded by Russia" we hear.  Yet it turns out, they PLANNED this confrontation as far back as 2014.

I say, since Ukraine planned it, let Ukraine fight it.  Since Ukraine planned it, let Ukraine PAY FOR IT.

All US Military aid and cash to Ukraine should stop immediately.  They built this treehouse, let them sit in it.

Of course, I might be missing one important aspect.  What if it was the US and NATO that actually planned this?  Maybe THAT is why the US and NATO are so heavily invested in it?

If that's true, then I'd like to find out the names of the people in the US and NATO who came up with this plan.  I'd like to send them the $195 bill I just got to fill-up my diesel pick-up truck that took 32 gallons and cost me $195 for ONE tank full.   I'd like to send them the $400+ food bill from the supermarket every couple weeks to feed my family.   I'd like to send them my now $400-$500 electric bill for my small, 1200 square foot condo.

I am suffering all these increased costs because of a war THEY planned.   Let THEM pay for it.

The more serious part of this deception, is that since they clearly PLANNED the Ukraine-Russia War, then they clearly knew all these economic hardships would come with that war - and they did it anyway.

The absolute worst part of this is that their deception, may actually result in a nuclear war.  They must have considered this as well, since they planned it so many years ago.   

If the ongoing troubles result in a nuclear exchange, I want to know the names of the people here in America who planned this all the way back in 2014 and 2015, so they can be held personally accountable, on the spot.  Their "Qualified Immunity," only works in court.  It doesn't work out in the real world, out in the streets.

No, their "Immunity" doesn't work at all out here.

 

 

 

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# Has The Counter Revolution Arrived In The US?MildB 2022-12-09 08:12
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Today, however, As war rages in Ukraine and everyone in power in the West says they want peace but keep shoveling money and weapons into the conflict, the message is clear. We want this war. We need this war and it doesn’t matter what the people want. We will have this war. But, here’s the big heresy, it’s not just the US that wants this war?

Here’s another one does ‘The US’ as a global actor even exist anymore?

Regardless of what side of the line you stand on, Ukraine’s or Russia’s, in this war (or refuse to even define where the line is), this is a moment that should crystallize for you that this is a turning point in the war… and not for the better.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/has-counter-revolution-arrived-us
# Planned Fraud on humanityMSNews 2022-12-09 07:25
This was planned out, all signature countries, along with nato, eu, and usa should be charged with fraud, attempted genocide of Russian peoples, crimes against humanity, destruction of national economies, etc

Reparations to Russia should begin for loss of life caused by these fucked up nations that instigated this war, the bio weapons labs, the money and human laundering that takes place in the armpit of europe known as ukrap.

jewlinski and his houses in usa should be immediately confiscated by the us treasury. But the demoncraps are too busy inviting nazis to the black house of dc.
+1 # █▓▒░ Geez... ░▒▓█Palehorse 2022-12-08 23:59
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Looks like Merkel and Hillary Clinton have the
same bodybuilding coach.
# It's much more than skin deep.MissinD60s 2022-12-10 09:03
Similarities between Mütte Merkel n our Hildebeast go far deeper than their outward, repugnant appearances. They've both been thoroughly consumed by the evil they serve. They are now full-on demons. I greatly look forward to God's righteous justice being delivered upon their heads!
+1 # She is in shape!Getsum 2022-12-09 03:17
Round is a shape...
# Someone had a dream…Gregg W 2022-12-08 23:13
I can’t recall who. They saw America burning after a nuclear attack.
They then saw obummer leaving the country in a plane and looking out the window at the destruction. He smiled and said, “Well. My work here is done!”

I vote for that weasel to be the Antichrist. If so, a lot of this makes more sense.

Just my opinion.
+3 # Uproar from A.Merkel's statement - Russia:White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 20:46
"The Minsk Agreements were theater - We gave time to Ukraine" Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, said former Chancellor Angela Merkel's words in an interview with Die Zeit that the Minsk agreements were signed to give the Ukrainian side a time gain could well be used to launch special courts.

"What Merkel said in her interview is the testimony of a person who directly stated that everything that was done in 2014-2015 had one goal: to distract the attention of the world community from real problems, to buy time, to fill the Kiev regime weapons and lead the situation to a major conflict" .

According to Zakharova, the confession of the German ex-chancellor sounds terrible: like counterfeiting as a method of operation in the West - like machinations, manipulations, every kind of distortion of the truth and the law that you can imagine (Satanism).
# RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarBadgerBadger 2022-12-08 19:55
A link to her comments ; https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/merkel:-minsk-agreement-attempted-to-give-ukraine-time
# RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarBadgerBadger 2022-12-08 20:01
Also: https://scheerpost.com/2022/12/05/scott-ritter-merkel-reveals-wests-duplicity/
+6 # Hal will have a fit!PastorK 2022-12-08 19:40
Volodomir Zelenski has been named Time Magazine's Person of the Year. So a Nazi, leading a Nazi government is their person of the year! They could have put Hitler's face on that cover and masses of people would be happy. Good grief!
+3 # Already Been On ItGetsum 2022-12-09 03:23
Hitler was on Time's cover in 1938 as man of the year. True, check link:

https://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19360413,00.html

They didn't want to do it again so they chose a more modern version of him.
# Volodomyr --> Vladimirunixguru24 2022-12-08 20:34
Did you guys notice how his first name was subtly changed over the past few months? Even Russian media calls him 'Vladimir' now. Words mean things..
+1 # I thought his name wasGregg W 2022-12-08 23:18
VOLDEMORT.


https://youtu.be/hQAIVlpOhZ0
B
# RE: Hal will have a fit!BadgerBadger 2022-12-08 20:02
PastorK: PLEASE...sky....NOT ski!!!
# RE: Hal will have a fit!PastorK 2022-12-08 20:46
Quoting BadgerBadger:
PastorK: PLEASE...sky....NOT ski!!!

Sorry. I stand corrected.
+3 # My opinionBennyg 2022-12-08 18:11
This is just my opinion and it looks that the Dems had to steal the elections to be there. Why? Because if this was planned ahead, there was no place for Trump to be in position, he is a President with NO WAR.
Obama, under his time, had the most bombs dropped on humanity than any other presidents.
Looks like the Dems equals WAR, DESTRUCTION and POWER ( ME, MYSELF AND I ).
+1 # Angela Merkel shaking!Smiley1984*! 2022-12-08 17:14
Hoover may well be right that stress is causing her to shake. On the other hand, have you seen the effect of the "vax" on some people, it attacks the central nervous system in the brain and causes shaking.

The question is: did she actually take the "vax" ?

Have you heard of "Bohemian Grove" where World leaders meet and celebrate under the statue of Baal, all very secret!

I wonder who was there last time and what other meeting places there are in the World dedicated to Baal worship!
+2 # The EconomistBarbara55 2022-12-08 16:30
Go back a few years of the ECONOMIST covers...the big annual issue....

It's there.
They are there.

Merkel...Hollande....Putin..
All of it.
+6 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarRAFO 2022-12-08 15:45
My opinion…

These so-called Western world leaders are neither sociopaths or psychopaths… they are Satanists following a well planned Satanic agenda. The Agenda is dual pronged… first is global depopulation by any means necessary, be it death jab, conventional war, nuclear war, poisoning or obliterating food/water supplies,
etc.

Second prong, and the most important from a prophecy perspective, is the rise of the Antichrist, a Satanically controlled entity that is being set up to take world power. He will control the mindless vaxxed automatons that will do his bidding, and like it. His control mechanism will make the Chinese social/credit control system look like a cakewalk.

To this end is the world performance being played out to a captive audience. The only truly free people in all of this are those people who put their full faith and trust in Jesus Christ. He IS the guarantee of a glorious future in His presence! Everyone has a choice to make… and as the days grow darker in the natural it will be easier and easier to tell the difference between those that follow darkness and those that are in the Light. John 3:16 rings ever so true.
+4 # RAFO: Well SaidDolph 2022-12-08 16:07
But time is running out. You don't want to go through God's Wrath, Rev.6:6.
+9 # Not the end-gamethomasgardenhire@gmail.com 2022-12-08 15:43
Now that we have multiple points of verification that this was a deception and planned years ago, I think we can be pretty sure that what we are seeing now is not the end-game.
# Not The End GameDolph 2022-12-08 16:14
The end game is 7 years away, but WW III remains imminent.
+2 # Yep. The west has started most of the wars in last 80 yearsChappyusa1 2022-12-08 15:35
I am officially done with it. USA and west leaders have no honor and are full of lies. Nothing they do is for the common good, it's all about power and control.

I am officially done with them. All Americans should stop paying taxes and tell them Fuck you!
If that doesn't work, then you know what is next.
+1 # Yep. The west has started most of the wars in last 80 yearsChappyusa1 2022-12-08 15:34
I am officially done with it. USA and west leaders have no honor and are full of lies. Nothing they do is for the common good, it's all about power and control.

I am officially done with them. All Americans should stop paying taxes and tell them Fuck you!
If that don't work, then you know what is next.
+2 # First armed conflict between Russian and American forces in BakhmutNevada Swede 2022-12-08 15:30
08/12/2022 - 21:34

First armed conflict between Russian and American forces in Bakhmut - Americans fall into an ambush & retreat - The 5 dramatic minutes.

Source
https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ektakto-sfodres-maches-rosikon-kai-amerikanikon-dynameon-sto-bakhmut-oi-amerikanoi-epesan-se-enedra-kai-ypochoroun/?_x_tr_sl=el&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
+6 # Angela Merkel's shakingHOOVER 2022-12-08 15:23
https://youtu.be/OR7Ug5y-va8

2019!!! Stress will cause funny things to happen. And THIS is the THIRD time caught on camera!
SHE KNEW! Just like Hal proved last night.
I clearly remember Angela like this, and Hal put the rest of the pieces in place.
+3 # Amen, JoeDolph 2022-12-08 15:59
If you continue to look at the world through secular eyes you will pull all your hair out and eventually go crazy. One must join the Good Guys and look at the world through Christian glasses. We win BIG TIME!
# DeplorableDolph 2022-12-08 15:51
Deplorable.
+4 # Make That 44 YearsDolph 2022-12-08 15:48
Prescott Bush and the Banksters financed Hitler. The Brits and France started WW I.
+6 # Except they 'planned' to winTerraHertz 2022-12-08 15:03
Their 'clever plan' was to build up enough military strength to attack and overrun the breakaway Ukrainian provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk, murder all the Russian-speaking residents and make those areas permanently part of Ukraine. Then merge Ukraine into NATO, place nuclear missiles in Ukraine, then use those in war or negotiation to destroy Russia. As a crucial element in their Globalist fantasy of a New World Order aka Great Reset.

A delusional plan. Didn't work. Russia saw it coming, knew the attack was planned for early 2022, and preempted them by a couple of weeks. Ran a low level 'special military operation' designed to grind down that new Ukrainian army. Which they achieved, and hoped would make Kieve see reason.

But 'Kiev' aka Zelensky, are puppets of the US and NATO gov lying psychopaths (and Nazis), who will never admit defeat. So now Russia sees it has to 'grind down NATO' too. And possibly 'take out the decision making centers' as they've said. They don't mean just in Ukraine.

Merkel's comments merely underline that Russia/Putin is correct. There can be no negotiation with psychopaths and proven serial liars. They simply have to be put down, like a rabid dog. There isn't any other way to eventual world peace.

The difficult part of that, is to 'put down the dog' without global nuclear destruction, since that dog has nukes.

Also remember that Putin knows the US/NATO designed the covid bioweapon, since he has found evidence of that work in Ukrainian biolabs. Not to mention the funding receipts for 'COVID-19 research' in 2019 before that was supposed to even exist, found on a public web site of the US DoD. This is not something Russia can simply step back from. US bioweapon efforts will continue, so long as the deep state exists. (With front actors like Obama and Biden.)

The bottom line, is that the Globalists/Deep State want most of us dead, total world population reduced to under 500 million souls, entirely enslaved to the Elites. Schwab's 'Great Reset via Covid' and 'died suddenly of the vax' are components of that.

This means that we are all, by definition, on Russia's side. We are all fighting for our very existence, same as Russia.

It's time to stop pretending.
+10 # Hal's Opening Statement In Perfect Harmony With ScripturesDolph 2022-12-08 14:53
Hal's excellent synopsis of the great powers' duplicity begins with the words, It is widely known that so-called "Conspiracy Theorists" believe almost all of the things going on politically in the world are "theater."

The Bible wholeheartedly agrees when it says, The whole world is corrupt; The whole world is deceived; Satan is the prince of this world; and Man has a fallen nature.

Mankind in general is corrupt until he is born again and receives a new nature or spirit.

Mankind is generally deceived. Ben Franklin was amused at how the whole country thinks that by reading their daily newspaper they have some conception of what has transpired in their times.

Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, made a valiant effort to wake up the country of the communist conspiracy, as did Senator McCarthy in the early '50's.

The Church has tried for 2,000 years to wake people up to Satan and his minions but few have heeded God's warnings.

The tragedy is that even the folks here, having been brought to the truth that it all boils down to Good vs Evil, fail to take the next logical step and make Jesus their Lord and Savior. The scoffers abound and the church mice seldom peep a word. Could this be why God is about to judge the world?
-6 # RE: Hal's Opening Statement In Perfect Harmony With ScripturesEddamnit 2022-12-08 17:39
Satan deceived this world with the Torah, Bible and the other writings of the Abrahamists.
+5 # RE: Hal's Opening Statement In Perfect Harmony With ScripturesPastorK 2022-12-08 19:34
Quoting Eddamnit:
Satan deceived this world with the Torah, Bible and the other writings of the Abrahamists.

Just stop it! You're a satanist. He is your god and so in your thinking the God of the Bible is Satan. You are deceived. The God of the Bible is not Satan. The Bible, both Testaments are His Word.
# The Gnostic Christians had a different viewMan of the Atom 2022-12-09 04:34
They felt "Jesus" (Yehoshua - "YHVH is salvation") was a rebel against the evil "god" of the Old Testament. Personally I think he was either of or influenced by the Essenes, a 3rd group, outside the Pharisees and Sadducees. Some of the Essenes were celibate and vegetarian, others were married. They were the best Hebrew religious group of that time IMO.

BTW, YHVH means "I am that I am". That is a very Eastern religious sounding name that "God" gave Moses when the latter asked which "god" he should tell the Egyptians sent him.
-4 # RE: Hal's Opening Statement In Perfect Harmony With ScripturesEddamnit 2022-12-08 22:08
I warn you that the Bible is Satan's book but I am the Satanist.
+3 # HalDolph 2022-12-08 22:41
Show this guy Eddanut the door.
+6 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarTexasWolf 2022-12-08 14:25
Ukraine got what it wanted. But I don't think they want what they're going to get.
+2 # Ukrainians Not The ProblemDolph 2022-12-08 15:27
The elites running America are the heart of the problem, antichrists from Kissinger to Zelensky!

Come on man!
-5 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarThe Deplorable Renegade 2022-12-08 14:24
All the people here who support Russia should Google and read the Minsk Agreements very carefully. Everything in those agreements was totally AGAINST Ukraine. I don’t blame them for not implementing them. Had they done so they would’ve essentially been surrendering to Russia. Putin could’ve had Ukraine easily back in 2014 with few or no casualties because the Uke army was way too small.
-7 # I have to be honest hereTigerTiger 2022-12-08 14:13
This one is a bit of a stretch. So they said they weren't doing the negotiations in good faith, it was just to buy time so they could militarize. Ok, so what does that mean? It is a bit of an extrapolation to say then that "this was all planned". It's like saying that when I put fire extinguishers in my house years ago, then I got a fire recently, that means the fire was planned. Or that we preppers prepared with food and generators, and then something happened that caused us to use our preps... does that mean the grid down event was planned? No, it just means we prepared for something, an eventuality, a "what-if scenario", and then it happened. Maybe the same happened here?

Look at it from a different perspective: Ukraine is a bad place, a corrupt place, yes, no denying that. Not forgiving them for all that bullshit, at all, BUT when a country sees themselves next to an adversary, who they know is stronger than they are, and might well have its eye on some of "our" provinces (e.g. Donbas)... doesn't it just make sense to try to give yourself time to militarize? That doesn't mean the fire that happens years later was "planned" in that "they wanted it to happen", though, any more than I wanted the fire on my house to happen. It was just something that we all expected, and tried to plan for, and then it happened.

Now, that isn't to say that this wasn't planned in other respects, maybe the WEF or US or Rockefellers or whoever wanted their "great reset" and so they kept prodding Russia by having the nazis in Ukraine shelling the Donbas until Russia finally said "enough" and invaded. That is quite possibly what happened. But, all I'm saying is, someone simply saying years ago that they were trying to buy time to militarize, doesn't mean that the war that happens years later was "planned". It was "planned FOR", just like I planned FOR the fire that happened on my house. But that doesn't imply INTENT for the fire to happen, or the war - again, not saying it WASN'T spurred on by various factions, I'm just talking about the simple fact of what Merkel said about "buying time". When I buy extinguishers, I am "buying time" if there ever is a fire, that's all. It doesn't mean I want the fire to happen.

I hope this distinction isn't too subtle, I'm not trying to discount what is happening here, there's lots of bad faith to go around in Ukraine. No doubt there are people who wanted it all to happen. And yes, apparently the agreement was made in bad faith. I'm just saying, planning for something, to give yourself time to prepare for a possible bad event, isn't the same as wanting that thing to happen, that's all.
# RE: I have to be honest heremjc 2022-12-09 21:11
I for one am shocked....SHOCKED!! that American politicians would lie to their Russian counterparts to advance the interest of the Republic.

Have they no honor? Are they NOT bound by the 'pinkie promise' and the 'double-dog dare'?

Clearly, American diplomats are DUTY-BOUND! to keep their word, while every other country's diplomats play realpolitik, and lie to us....
+2 # What ?SBGlett77 2022-12-08 16:09
Poroshenko and Merkel have now both said that they lied in order to deceive Russia into giving Ukraine more time to build their forces.

That, sir, is a PLAN. They did A, so that B could occur, in anticipation of C. A was lying through their teeth and negotiating in bad faith ( admitted ), B was surreptitious activity to foment genocide on people who were treated in an official apartheid manner ( admitted ), and C was the provocation of Russia to war when they thought they were ready ( obvious ). Honorable people do none of these things.

Your analogy, reasoning, and logic are horribly flawed.
+6 # I have to be honest here?White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 15:43
It's ironic. You have to be honest. The leaders of NATO are serial liars. That's their Religion.
+4 # RE: I have to be honest herejoe@tittiger.com 2022-12-08 15:12
Tiger Tiger.....
You have a lot to learn about how this world is really ruled.
I have said it before, but you would benefit a lot from the work of Mark Passio.
+14 # RE: I have to be honest hereHalTurner 2022-12-08 14:50
Are you a simpleton? They explicitly stated they wanted to buy time TO BUILD THEIR ARMED FORCES.

Armed forces. Not a fire extinguisher.

This is a direct statement of intent to raise their ability to fight a war. It's no extrapolation at all, and your analogy about a fire extinguisher is childish.
-4 # Heaven ForbidGetsum 2022-12-08 16:55
Wow Hal, heaven forbid someone has a different outlook here...my goodness. It would seem the host of the site would give some latitude for open thinking, discussion and debate without immediate name calling and shaming.

Are you an a-hole? A Democrat liberal?

Not everyone is on board with "everything is a conspiracy" theories, the world is on fire, tsunamis are going to wipe us out, planet X is coming and every other cockamamy date of doom that's been set here. People should have the right to think and articulate those thoughts. At least he laid out his reasoning, which is a heck of a lot more than Meanzi/Sammy does and you seem to do nothing but encourage him and the other obvious spammers that frequent your site.
+3 # RE: Heaven ForbidHalTurner 2022-12-08 18:49
This is not a matter of "outlook." It is a matter of FACTS.

One does not equate lying to buy time to build an army, with buying a fire extinguisher in case of fire.

It is not a matter of perspective.

People can and do articulate different points of view; but don't make the mistake of challenging me over actual facts.

As for Meanzi/Sammy, I announced the other day he wrote me to quit the site. I canceled his access and refunded his most recent payment. I told him I had gotten very many complaints about him and that I thought his leaving the site - by his own choice - was a good move.
# I seem to remember...Getsum 2022-12-09 03:16
I seem to remember in the not so distant past that you were incensed that the many of the members were challenging you on the Chinese Fighter story (which in reality were RC planes), you even went in and added more to your post that we were idiots and didn't know what we were talking about; the story was up for several days...until, for some odd reason, it disappeared. Hmmmm... So did the Supernova story as well...about the same time.

Point being is that "facts" are not always true as written and it is not wrong to question them...in fact, some would say it is even healthy to challenge everything and not be a lemming. It keeps your mind sharp, strengthens your power of discernment and it will guide you to reputable sources of information most of the time.

I think you're heart is in the right place Hal and you're doing the best you can; no one can be right all the time...despite our best efforts. Keep up the good work; we all appreciate you and what you do to keep us informed!
+1 # Sammy would have been an excellent mushroom farmer!White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 20:53
Everyday Sammy would Bury this site with his Bull Shit.
+4 # Additionally....LilBirdie 2022-12-08 15:09
All negotiations must be done in good faith. With honesty and integrity.
With out that there is no trust. Without trust there can be no peace.
Russia cannot go back to the negotiation table. They must now concede to fight to the bitter end. No peace treaty can be trusted.
That's what this confirmation from Angela Merkel means.
# Negotiations?Dolph 2022-12-08 15:37
There could be peace IF Zelensky-CIA agrees to Russian terms. Take them or the war continues!
-4 # RE: I have to be honest hereTigerTiger 2022-12-08 14:57
Every country wants to be able to defend itself. That is why we call it a "deterrent". We have nuclear weapons, does that mean we want to use them? No, just the opposite.

I admit that it's possible that all of this was planned. I just don't think you can extrapolate that from the simple admission that they were lying in order to buy time. If I live next to someone who I perceive to have their eyes on grabbing what I have, and the guy is bigger and stronger than me, then I might smile and nod and say, well, just about anything, in order to give myself time to arm up, so that I can defend what's mine.

I'm not defending Ukraine here, I'm just trying to look at this through impartial glasses, that's all.

Also, it should be possible to have a discussion without being called names. I think I am making a rational argument, and I try to treat others with respect. I only ask for the same consideration in return.

Edit: I really do not appreciate being called a "simpleton" and "childish" by the owner of the website, when I am simply trying to have a rational discussion between adults. I have always tried to be respectful toward others here, and refrained from diving into the name-calling and playground-level discourse that seems to prevail here. But this is a step too far, I'm afraid, so I will be taking my leave and going elsewhere. I have emailed Hal to ask to cancel my subscription and close my account.
# Very UnfortunateGetsum 2022-12-09 04:32
I think this is very unfortunate that Tiger is leaving. He always brought something to the forum and thought out his posts carefully.

It seems that some people do not want to learn something new, they want others to affirm what they already believe...and if you do not...you get attacked.

Sad that this happened. Maybe one day I can figure out what it's like to be perfect...not there yet so I'll use you all as my mentors...
# RE: I have to be honest herepaulattahoe 2022-12-08 18:54
Quoting TigerTiger:

I'm not defending Ukraine here, I'm just trying to look at this through impartial glasses, that's all.


If the strength of your argument is impartiality, you flunked badly by not including the fact that Vladimir Putin was DELIBERATELY DECEIVED by both Ukraine and Germany during both the Minsk one and Minsk two agreements which is an undeniable fact.

The meaning of impartiality creates a gaping hole in many people where their intellect is supposed to be.
+4 # How can you be so clueless Tiger Tiger?joe@tittiger.com 2022-12-08 15:17
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With all of the information on the Internet, you seem to work hard at ignoring reality and remaining naive.

There are 2 ways not to know something: Nescience and Ignorance.

This is not nescience, what you have is ignore-ance. You ignore and reject the truth.
+6 # earlier?judith L 2022-12-08 14:09
2014 was when actions took place. the "agenda" had to have been planned and coordinated earlier. Think State Dept. involvement in that little violent change of government in 2014.
+1 # God planned itFlat earth Christian 2022-12-08 14:05
And the plandemic. And the WEF, King Charles, Great reset and one world government, and a cashless world. And elimination of fossil fuels.
All apparently planned.
I recommend you acquaint yourself with Bible prophecy. See JD Farag and Sandy Armstrong at S4C and Andy woods on youtube. So many Christians are trying to expose the spiritual element of this. God planned a judgment before Jesus returns. The rich would not destroy their playground and they are not doing it.
Jesus/God was crucified for us. God is not wicked.
Man is predominantly wicked.
-6 # RE: God planned itEddamnit 2022-12-08 17:54
Christians are pagans.
+3 # "God Planned It", Really??Dolph 2022-12-08 15:19
Flat earth wrote, "And the plandemic. And the WEF, King Charles, Great reset and one world government, and a cashless world. And elimination of fossil fuels.
All apparently planned."

Sorry, God is not the author of confusion or anything evil. He gave man a free will and an operator's manual of how to be successful and even become a member of His family. But man has chosen to follow Hollywood and television and do it his way.

Blaming God ain't too smart. If you believe in a flat earth, then that explains it all.
+2 # Flat earth Christianjoe@tittiger.com 2022-12-08 15:19
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Nothing like saying, "I am clueless" in your handle - Flat earth Christian

At least you tip off the reader as what to expect.
+4 # EVERYTHING IS PLANNED HAL!joe@tittiger.com 2022-12-08 14:03
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Hal is a smart guy, but I don't think that he comprehends that the whole world really does lie in the evil one.

The Dark occultists have been planing what we are watching for close to 300 years. Anyone that reads their writings understands the factualness, and depth of their planning.

Of course this war was planned Hal. They all are.

If you embrace this truth Hal I think you are going to see a lot of things that you have been missing.

And no Hal they do not have a conscience. At the top of every institution (Like government) the ruling class put in either genetic or created psychopaths. It is rare to have the head of any institution not be a psychopath!

Check out the work of Mark Passio and you will connect a lot of dots.
+4 # RE: EVERYTHING IS PLANNED HAL!daniel_martin 2022-12-08 14:36
Like the Albert Pike letter. And "Mankind Under 500M". This answers a Lot of Questions
+5 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia Warpko60 2022-12-08 13:56
Well, if you know that "Germany" is not a real state at all, but only an administrative construct of the Allies - especially the USA, then you must also know that not a single German chancellor looked after the interests of the German people.

The German chancellor is only a mouthpiece of the USA; everything the German chancellor says or does was decided in advance in the USA. If he does not obey the orders from the USA, he will not be elected again at the next "election".

And besides, I wonder how you can trust any politician at all - regardless of which country he is from. The term "politician" is just a synonym for "liar", it just sounds better.

Speaking of "Broken Treaties."
Didn't someone say that "treaties are made to be broken"?
Feel free to google that to find out who said that phrase.

By the way, there exists a nation which has hardly honored any treaty. Feel free to guess which nation that is. Google will still help you with this question, too - maybe soon it won't.
+1 # Yes, PKODolph 2022-12-08 16:38
In 1945 Europe and Japan lay prostrate and broke. It was like taking candy from a baby to install elite antichrists into every government and news outlet. Germany had sold it's soul to the Devil in the roaring twenties and Nietzsche had replaced Christ in the land of Luther. The US was filthy rich after being the arsenal of the "democracies". People in Europe and Japan were starving.
+10 # Glad you put that up HalNHydg 2022-12-08 13:29
There was no way I could have put that run down together the way you did ........THAT was a NICE collection of FACT. AT LEAST now I can review it and TRY to educate some of the people .
GAD ..... these Luciferian BASTARDS & BITCHES are a COLD hearted bunch. . . . . . . . . . . . The Lord has told us that He has prepared a SPECIAL place for them.
+3 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarNotthemama 2022-12-08 13:24
I love the social path, psychopath explanation at the end.
Our media has primed us for decades about how both are violent. This has lead to the normalcy bias that they are easy to spot because they will tip their hand through violent actions. They may even have a hard time controlling those urges.

They truly are not like that. More than likely they are your church leader. Your CEO. Your "elected" leaders.
They will never commit a violent act with their own hand, as it is not worth the risk.

Stop looking where the media tells you there are problems and look at where they honestly are.
+1 # covid scam and babbittTurnercom1 2022-12-08 13:11
https://www.judicialwatch.org/ashli-babbitt-shooting-update/
+2 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia Warpaulattahoe 2022-12-08 13:06
When will Zelensky admit this is a fake NATO-inspired war and being the personal laundromat to the DNC and the Bidens, Obamas, Romneys, and Trudeaus of the world?
# Paul At Tahoe: Never!Dolph 2022-12-08 16:43
Zelensky is the biggest crook, antichrist, of them all.
+9 # Gene Editing mRNA Tech DEADLY Premeditated Military-Grade Bioweapon Cause Cancer & Disease.White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 13:03
It's NOT a vaccine!

Karen Kingston joins the show to call for accountability from the vaccine manufacturers!

What was marketed as a life-saving injection, is actually a nanotech kill shot, used for genocide!

It's time for tribunals, it's time for justice!

https://www.brighteon.com/35416a40-d2f3-4e95-be46-c827874b6d04
+6 # Angela Merkel is the Daughter of Hitler.Garyhines 2022-12-08 13:03
Angela Merkel is the Daughter of Hitler. So is Teresa May she also a daughter of Hitler. Guess who is the grandson of Hitler . He was a famous president of the United States of America.? Barack Obama' yeah that guy. Another Coke Head Closet Faggot. What a wonderful Government we have. Something too really be proud of. That's was Never Their intention to honour the Minsk agreement. It only their to buy them time. Now we are moving at full steam ahead to full blown War .next stop will be out go the lights for Europe & the United States.hey look on the bright side Biden is doing a great job at destroying the United States.
# RE: Angela Merkel is the Daughter of Hitler.mjc 2022-12-09 21:16
Quoting Garyhines:
Angela Merkel is the Daughter of Hitler. So is Teresa May she also a daughter of Hitler. Guess who is the grandson of Hitler . He was a famous president of the United States of America.? Barack Obama' yeah that guy. Another Coke Head Closet Faggot. What a wonderful Government we have. Something too really be proud of. That's was Never Their intention to honour the Minsk agreement. It only their to buy them time. Now we are moving at full steam ahead to full blown War .next stop will be out go the lights for Europe & the United States.hey look on the bright side Biden is doing a great job at destroying the United States.


And "I had heard" Merkel is the love child of Amelia Earhart and Jimmy Morison, who cucked Hitler with Amelia.

Top that......
+2 # RE: Angela Merkel is the Daughter of Hitler.The Deplorable Renegade 2022-12-08 14:25
Gary, Merkel grew up in the former East Germany under communist rule. That speaks volumes.
-6 # source?maikenders 2022-12-08 13:01
Where did A. Merkel do these remarks? What is the source?
+13 # RE: source?HalTurner 2022-12-08 13:39
Why is ME being the source a problem for you?

She made the remarks in an interview published on Wednesday in the Zeit newspaper.
+2 # RE: source?maikenders 2022-12-08 17:48
Not a problem at all for me that you are the source. Thank you very much for bringing it up. Maybe I can find the original article behind the wall.
-2 # Go Hal !!Dolph 2022-12-08 16:50
No mercy for the trolls!
+1 # Mr. Turner, please, allow meNda 2022-12-08 14:29
'Cold-Hearted Psychopath, Hot-Headed Sociopath

As duly noted in the article contained herein. Authored by our illustrious host, Hal Turner.

Sure riled up a lotta feathers pointing out the fine traits of the truly nuts among us.

Usually I would lol, or even lmao, but these things are terrifyingly terrifying.


quote name="HalTurner"]Why is ME being the source a problem for you?

She made the remarks in an interview published on Wednesday in the Zeit newspaper.
+1 # RE: source?Paul Kurzlee 2022-12-08 13:55
Quoting HalTurner:
Why is ME being the source a problem for you?

She made the remarks in an interview published on Wednesday in the Zeit newspaper.


The Zeit newspaper is behind a paywall. We tried to see the interview and this is what we got. And besides that I would bet money that the interview will be heavily censored and that admission from her would most certainly be edited out of the broadcast. I aint gonna pay to see it but I tried. If anybody can get to it I would like to know if I am right about the censorship. It seems impossible to get to.
# German PressDolph 2022-12-08 16:58
The German press disallows any discussion of the veracity of the Holocaust, verboten!

I wonder why? (not)
+1 # RE: German PressEddamnit 2022-12-08 18:02
The lie requires continuous shoring up.
# Die ZeitSBGlett77 2022-12-08 16:55
Paul, I checked, as I read a little German, and the best I could tell it appears that Die Zeit is a digital-only paper now. It is a high-class, intellectual weekly known for long informative articles. That would make it similar to our New Yorker magazine. However, it is a weekly, so by the time Hal's expose went out, it was already probably published for at least a day, plenty of time for Germans to capture the unedited version, if anyone even bothered to edit out Merkel's admission. The editors of such an esoteric magazine are probably too aloof to even care what the German plebes think.
+3 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarGunner 2022-12-08 12:53
Of course it was ALL planned out - the rotten, feces smelling pukes. The bottom line is these ultra rich mental midgets want all of us peasants DEAD period, full-stop. The End. Get your asses ready and prepared or don't - that is all up to you.
+6 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarWilliamtheResolute 2022-12-08 12:49
Merkel and Poroshenko Sociopaths? Psychopaths?...How about just Satanic tools. Angela Hitler just wants to avenge her daddy for what Russia did to him, while America is has been influenced by a Nazi cult beginning in 1946 with Operation Paperclip and all the evil that entails. I wonder if Brandon walked away from Afghanistan because he was told the time to invade Russia had arrived?
-1 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarCanis Major 2022-12-08 12:49
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Pray, and in your payers ask:
"In the beginning the word was God, God almighty, in the name of Jesus Christ our lord and savior,
give us the authority and Michele's sword to smite and sent those who challenge your rule and order to the abyss where darkness will be their shackles until you decide to call them to judgement. "
But if you're a God fearing man, the following should give pause:
Romans 12:19 – Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Ephesians 5:6 – Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
+2 # WWIIIVercinge 2022-12-08 12:35
The exact same thing happened between Reagan and Gorbachev on the occasion of the INF treaty (Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty) signed in Washington on December 8, 1987, (exactly 35 years ago).

Reagan, in obedience to his Zionist Masters, America's true rulers, deliberately signed the treaty knowing that he and his successors would never abide by it. This false agreement has allowed the US and NATO to "buy" a good number of states of the former Warsaw Pact and begin the encirclement of Russia. Without this first diabolical deception the West could never have started the operation even earlier inspired and planned by Zbigniew Brzezinski.

The 2014 Maidan coup, the replacement of the legitimate government by the Western puppet Porochenko, the deliberately betrayed Minsk agreements and the eight years of arming and preparing Ukrainian army, always with strong help by the West and the proven method of systematic lie, should have been or should have the final blow, but unfortunately for USA/NATO (and the whole world, of course), Russia has perfectly understood the demonic side of its counterpart and no longer believes a syllable of what it utters . Indeed, every time the West opens its mouth to talk about peace or truce, it only worsens its position.
What will be the next stage? It's not that hard to guess. In any case, everyone will get what they deserve.

NOTE: These characters are not psychopaths, but something much worse, i.e. lucid possessed in comparison with whom the protagonist of The Exorcist was just a poor victim.
Psychopath or sociopath are categories created by psychiatry to try to frame behaviors that only a spiritual vision allows to understand and classify correctly. Those involved in the (maniacal) study of the human psyche, being for the most part full of themselves atheists (like their most famous master, the Jew Sigmund Freud), are, if anything and rather the first to suffer from psychopathy or sociopathy.
# Vercinge Well Said O'l Chap!Dolph 2022-12-08 17:21
Marx and Freud, two of Satan's most precious chess pieces. Then add in the immoral titans of industry like Cecil Rhodes and Rockefeller and banksters Rothschild and JP Morgan and you have Satan's board of directors.
+3 # 'It'll wipe out every dollar in the world' - new crash fears as $80trillion 'goes missing'White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 12:28
The world faces a staggering financial meltdown with potential losses exceeding the total number of US dollars in circulation.

This warning does not come from some headline-grabbing doomsayer but arguably the most respectable financial body of all, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS). This is a body of central bankers based in Basle, Switzerland. BIS is know as “the central banker’s banker”, an umbrella body for august institutions such as the Bank of England, US Federal Reserve and European Central Bank.

Its researchers can predict financial crises three years in advance using machine learning to aggregate predictions from different models. Now they are warning of a crash the scale of which we have never seen before, with a staggering $80trillion (£65trillion) at stake.

To put that into perspective, the global financial crisis was triggered by the collapse of Wall Street investment bank Lehman Brothers in September 2008. That was the largest corporate bankruptcy in US history but its debts totalled "just" $619 billion. That is less than one percent of the sums at stake today.

A hidden corner of the finance world has been stretched to an “unsustainable” point, leaving the world in a “dangerous position”.
+2 # BIS are SatanistsWilliamtheResolute 2022-12-08 12:56
"...arguably the most respectable financial body of all, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS)." These Banksters present themselves as staunch pillars of respectability...in reality they are the worst criminals on Earth, a strategic nuke on Zug would end the Khazarian stranglehold on this world.
+1 # Duh...dave0975644 2022-12-08 12:27
Is it just me???
lemeseee here.... Putin's resume includes...
1 worked his way up the KGB hierarchy in the
assassination division playing by Moscow Rules
( maybe a few of his targets were a little
deceived and caught by surprise? )
2. had to be intimately familiar with the following
bits of russian history and had access to all the
secret documents
- the 1905 Japanese surprise attack on Port
Arthur which
triggered an uprising which is considered the
prologue to 1917...
- the number of high-level commissars and party
members who 'disappeared' in the 30's and
40's under Stalin
- Hitler's little surprise attack - Operation
Barbarossa which nearly brought down the
Bolshevik regime
just for starters - not to mention all the treachery
that underlies the last 2-3000 years of European
and Asian geopolitics...
note that governments HAVE outfits like the CIA/
Mossad/MI6/KGB for ONLY 2 reasons -
1) they want to do dirt to someone else
2) they are afraid those someone elses are
planning on doing the same to them
so these top Euro mucky-mucks conned the pants
of poor little Putin in face-to-face eye-to-eye
negotiations... GIVE ME A BREAK, HERE...

show me an honest poker player and I'll show you
a loser...
# Dave: Good Stuff!Dolph 2022-12-08 21:35
More.
+2 # Putin's not perfect?WilliamtheResolute 2022-12-08 13:01
Putin may be all the things you claim, show me a nation or it's leader who doesn't have blood soaked hands. Just remember that the Khazarians rule and Putin is their target...the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
+2 # and a few little items I missed...dave0975644 2022-12-08 12:42
Quoting dave0975644:
Is it just me???
lemeseee here.... Putin's resume includes...
1 worked his way up the KGB hierarchy in the
assassination division playing by Moscow Rules
( maybe a few of his targets were a little
deceived and caught by surprise? )
2. had to be intimately familiar with the following
bits of russian history and had access to all the
secret documents
- the 1905 Japanese surprise attack on Port
Arthur which
triggered an uprising which is considered the
prologue to 1917...
- the number of high-level commissars and party
members who 'disappeared' in the 30's and
40's under Stalin
- Hitler's little surprise attack - Operation
Barbarossa which nearly brought down the
Bolshevik regime
just for starters - not to mention all the treachery
that underlies the last 2-3000 years of European
and Asian geopolitics...
note that governments HAVE outfits like the CIA/
Mossad/MI6/KGB for ONLY 2 reasons -
1) they want to do dirt to someone else
2) they are afraid those someone elses are
planning on doing the same to them
so these top Euro mucky-mucks conned the pants
of poor little Putin in face-to-face eye-to-eye
negotiations... GIVE ME A BREAK, HERE...

show me an honest poker player and I'll show you
a loser...


also, note all the treachery and looting and destruction done by the US/EUROs in
the former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,
Syria, Lebanon, and Ukraine itself - all of which
Putin had a front-row seat to watch...
+1 # Dave: Bottom LineDolph 2022-12-08 22:11
This debate or finger pointing will never end from a secular point of view. There are only two sides, two adversaries at the end of the day: True, born again Christians following Jesus who is the Truth and Anti-Christs or Satanists.

There is no middle ground in God's eyes and God is right all the time. People who say they believe in God, lukewarm "christians" don't make the cut.

"Those who are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God", Rom.8:14. There is no middle ground.

We are all in a probationary period in which all will choose who they will serve. "Chose you this day who you will serve". Jesus died and paid the price for all our sins. Who acknowledges that, repents and follows Him wins eternal life in a world without sin.

There is Satan, the flesh and the world going in one direction and there are the children of God going in the other direction or up stream.

Putin is promoting a form of Christianity but I doubt if he is born again. It is almost impossible to find a politician who hasn't sold his soul to the devil. The day after they win an election they are desperately searching for the next donation and will lie, cheat and steal to get it, etc, etc, etc....
+12 # What's in the crystal ball?acturner067 2022-12-08 12:10
Is that you Angela the daughter of Hitler? Putin is that really you or did you come off an assembly line of clones or something? What you see or hear is not what you can always depend on as truth. The secrete societies of this world are satanic worshipers and they plan far, far in advance.
+5 # Surovikin will make Ukraine scream - He will reach Kyiv and take Kharkiv, Kherson and all of Donbas!White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 12:10
Trumpet of retreat from the Americans: Let the West retreat immediately.

A well-known American media is calling on NATO and the USA to withdraw immediately from Ukraine and not to escalate a war which for the West is already lost. As he reports, Surovikin is expected to arrive at the gates of Kiev in the Spring while Kharkiv, Kherson and the entire Donbass will come under Russian control.

In more detail, an opinion article in the American magazine Newsweek refers to a turning point in the war in Ukraine, which states that the Russian military forces are not only not demoralized as the West wants to present them, but on the contrary they have been equipped with the most modern weapons, at the moment when the Ukrainian soldiers are shown to have done all they could.

According to the publication, it is estimated that Russia is planning a massive offensive, which is very likely to have recaptured Kharkiv, Kherson and all of Donbas by the summer of 2023.

Yes, we are striking and will continue to strike energy infrastructure in Ukraine. It is a response to the terrorist attacks in Kiev. They started. They attacked the Kerch bridge. They attacked Kursk. They cut off the water in Crimea, an act of genocide," said B. Putin, announcing new fierce raids. https://warnews247.gr/

"As the Russian offensive gains momentum, we estimate that there will be louder voices for sending more and more advanced weapons to Ukraine, and even for NATO intervention to defend Ukraine," the publication emphasizes, pointing out that these voices must rejected for many reasons.
# RaptorDolph 2022-12-08 22:18
We are with you! What part of Russia are you from?
+5 # U.S. FDA authorizes bivalent COVID shots for 6 months old.White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 12:01
(Reuters) -The U.S. health regulator has authorized COVID-19 shots from Moderna (NASDAQ:MRNA) and Pfizer (NYSE:PFE) and its partner BioNTech that target both the original coronavirus and Omicron sub-variants for use in children as young as 6 months of age.

Mammon tempts - Moloch devours

The white shroud you don
Does nothing to conceal
The darkening stains
Of innocent blood spilled.

Australia Concerned As People Dying At ‘Incredibly High’ Pace And It Can’t Tell Why.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/12/08/australia-concerned-as-people-dying-at-incredibly-high-pace-and-it-cant-tell-why/
+4 # Cockroaches?unixguru24 2022-12-08 11:55
Calling them cockroaches would be an insult to cockroaches. The cockroach is dignified compared to this bunch. They want a participatory 'democracy'? Then they can participate by cleaning up the mess they made. Because there's a mess, that's for dammed sure.
+7 # $195.00 Diesel billBren1776 2022-12-08 11:49
Send it to Victoria Nuland. She is directly involved in the Maidan coup in 2014. She was also in Kiev this week just before the drones went deep into Russian air bases.
+5 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia WarIgorbzo 2022-12-08 11:44
Quoting Ike1:
Great article Hal. From her own lips Merkel has admitted she is an insincere fraud.
The same is true for Macron, Johnston, Sunack, Truss, Biden, Obama, Stoltenberg Rutte Van der Leyden and pretty much all the rest of the Western leaders.
God help us with these disgusting specimens in power.


There all NAZIZ working to finishing what Hitler started
+8 # Remember??HOOVER 2022-12-08 11:44
Now it all makes sense!! Go back and find news articles about Angela SHAKING uncontrollably!! My goodness!! Now we know WHY!! GUILT! SHAME! DISGRACE! Wow!! The nerves were clearly on display for the world to see!! Go look it up!! Angela Merkel's visibly shaking. WOW!!
Home run Hal at it AGAIN! Amazing show last night!
-19 # I don’t mindMp 2022-12-08 11:42
I don’t mind if someone makes a point Hal. But to repeat a fucking point for half of your show over and fucking over again is fucking bullshit Hal. Do I make myself clear Hal? If I wanted to listen to a fucking record over and over again I would play it over and over again Hal. Hears an example Hal. When I take a shit Hal I usually wipe my ass. I don’t keep shitting over and over again. Do you understand my point Hal. If not I can continue to explain Hal.
# Take a chill pillJessiebeaner 2022-12-08 15:10
You can always tune the dial to something else and come back the next day.
As well, you could have made your point in a bit more civilized manner.
DON’T BE A TOTAL ASS
+1 # You meant PM, right, Potty mouth?Nda 2022-12-08 14:16
Seems Mr. Turner really struck your fragile nerves, Potty Mouth.

'Cold-Hearted Psychopath, Hot-Headed Sociopath'

Well aren't you rather terrifying...





Quoting Mp:
I don’t mind if someone makes a point Hal. But to repeat a fucking point for half of your show over and fucking over again is fucking bullshit Hal. Do I make myself clear Hal? If I wanted to listen to a fucking record over and over again I would play it over and over again Hal. Hears an example Hal. When I take a shit Hal I usually wipe my ass. I don’t keep shitting over and over again. Do you understand my point Hal. If not I can continue to explain Hal.
+3 # Oops!willice 2022-12-08 13:58
I hit the green icon instead of the red! Mp's arrogant attack on Hal is unworthy of anything more than my down vote.
+4 # No, MpSBGlett77 2022-12-08 12:16
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Getting a point that is a radical change from the way a person has been previously led to believe requires explaining it from several aspects, and hammering home those points with repetition to boot. It cements the SERIOUSNESS of the information.

This is exactly why Merkel thought it was OK to casually mention this in public. She and almost everyone else knows that a casual mention is not ensconced into the brain like a strong and repeated emphasis. So, she thought she would get the benefits of being the hero who strengthened their darling Ukraine, without the idea of the damage she wrought being thoroughly fixed in the public mind.

I listened to the show on my shortwave out in my shop as I was working ( Ohio, WRMI in FL ). The gravity of the information kept increasing in my consciousness as I listened to it presented in several different ways. It is now a deep impression I cannot lose. I hope the effect was similar on Hal's worldwide audience.
+14 # Enjoy your time off Mpsupporttheblue 2022-12-08 11:53
like it or lump it this is Hal's site. change the channel if you're offended. The Simpsons have re runs.
-13 # Fuck the blueMp 2022-12-08 12:50
Do I make myself clear
# I spoke too soonsupporttheblue 2022-12-08 17:43
With that mouth, Your still watching re runs of Brokeback Mountain
+1 # You are a witness to yoursupporttheblue 2022-12-08 17:40
Public school education. Kiss your mother with u fortunate mother or souse with that pie hole of a mouth?
+2 # Indeed, CHILD, YOUR TANTRUM IS CLEAR AND VISIBLE FOR ALL TO SEEJessiebeaner 2022-12-08 15:13
Now, go change your shitty damn pants.
Your stench is overwhelming.
+4 # Very clear.Nda 2022-12-08 14:22
Another sociopathic psychopath troll here.

Aka TRAITOR.



quote name="Mp"]Do I make myself clear
+3 # DEEP STATE AGENDAPlowboy 2022-12-08 11:41
It had to have been on the drawing board prior to the US backed coup that brought Poroshenko into power.

None of this is a surprise to Putin who continued Russian weapons development beneath Yamantu mountain as we unilaterally disarmed according to the fake START treaties.
+7 # Our leaders?Ike1 2022-12-08 11:40
Great article Hal. From her own lips Merkel has admitted she is an insincere fraud.
The same is true for Macron, Johnston, Sunack, Truss, Biden, Obama, Stoltenberg Rutte Van der Leyden and pretty much all the rest of the Western leaders.
God help us with these disgusting specimens in power.
# All around us, chaos reigns. Buildings crumbling down. Silhouettes in the fiery rain. Timbers crash to the ground.White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 11:39
I done Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran
North Korea, tell me, where does it end?
Well, the bodies keep piling up with every day
How many more of 'em they gonna send?
Well, they send their sons and daughters off to die for some oil
To control the heroin
Well, son, I hope you don't grow up
Believing that you've got to be a puppet to be a man

[Verse 2]
Well, they cut off your hair and put a badge on your arm
Strip you of your identity
Tell you to keep your mouth shut, boy, and get in the line
Meet your maker overseas
Wearing that Kim Jong-il hat, grandma’s selling pills
And meanwhile, I'm wearing my "can't pay my fucking bills" hat

[Verse 3]
Well, nobody's looking up to care about a drone
All too busy looking down at our phone
Ego's begging for food like a dog from a feed
Refreshing obsessively until our eyes start to bleed
They serve up distractions and we eat 'em with fries
Until the bombs fall out of our fucking skies
+2 # Why would Merkel admit this ?SBGlett77 2022-12-08 11:37
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Why indeed. Very likely, she thought she would brag a little, being under the impression that the whole Western world would heap lauds on her for her mendacious help getting Ukraine ready to fight Russia more effectively. She probably thought everyone that "mattered" would call her a "hero"; maybe even nominate her for a Nobel prize.

However, it turns out, due to the worldwide exposure of this information during a time of severe hardship brought to Europe and America, that she was instead foolish and tone deaf to the anger that is brewing. Now the Europeans who are VERY upset over high prices and shortages, have someone to hang it on. I think they will also critically think along the lines Hal does, and extend this to the obvious accomplices like France, UK, and the US. And Europeans, unlike Americans, won't hesitate to go into the streets en masse, or worse.
+8 # "For our God is a Consuming fire."Laurie 2022-12-08 11:34
Justice will be served!

“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.” Romans 12:19
+2 # AmenNda 2022-12-08 14:25
Amen to that, sister!
+7 # Moloch is their god, bloody Moloch, The god smeared with the blood of children, Burnt offerings to him: Moloch!White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-12-08 11:33
The corruption of authority is such that it is very difficult – at least in human terms – to hypothesize a peaceful way out. In the course of history, totalitarian regimes have been overthrown by force. It is difficult to think that the health dictatorship that has been established in recent months can be fought differently, since all the powers of the State, all of the means of information, all the international public and private institutions, all of the economic and financial potentates are complicit in this crime. Faced with this bleak scenario of corruption and conflict of interest, it is indispensable that all those who are not subservient to the globalist plan unite in a compact and cohesive front, in order to defend their natural and religious rights, their own health and that of their loved ones, their freedom, and their goods. Where authority fails in its duties and indeed betrays the purpose for which it has been established, disobedience is not only lawful but obligatory: non-violent disobedience, at least for now, but determined and courageous. Disobedience to the illegitimate and tyrannical diktats of ecclesiastical authority, wherever it shows itself to be an accomplice of the infernal plan of the New World Order.

Allow me to conclude this reflection with a brief spiritual thought. Everything that we know, discover, and understand about the global conspiracy currently unfolding shows us a tremendous reality that is also at the same time sharp and clearly-defined: there are two sides, the side of God and the side of Satan, the side of the children of Light and the side of the children of darkness. It is not possible to come to terms with the Enemy, nor is it possible to serve two masters (Mt 6:24). The words of Our Lord must be engraved in our minds: “Whoever is not with Me is against Me, and whoever does not gather with Me scatters” (Mt 12:30). Hoping to build a world government in which the Divine Kingship of Jesus Christ is outlawed is insane and blasphemous, and no one who has such a plan will ever succeed. Where Christ reigns, peace, harmony and justice reign; where Christ does not reign, Satan is a tyrant. Let us consider this well, whenever we have to choose whether to make agreements with the adversary in the name of a false peaceful coexistence! And let those prelates and civil leaders who think that their complicity only affects economic or health issues, pretending not to know what is behind all this, also consider this well.

Let us turn to Christ, Christ who is the King of hearts, of families, of societies, and of nations. Let us proclaim Him as Our King and Mary Most Holy as Our Queen. Only in this way can the wicked project of the New World Order be defeated. Only in this way can the Holy Church be purified of traitors and renegades. And may God listen to our prayer.
+1 # Well said RaptorDolph 2022-12-08 22:30
Hope you're born again and led by the Spirit of God. Don't think the Russian Orthodox teach that but you are right-on about above. GB
+3 # The Nazis at WorkIgorbzo 2022-12-08 11:32
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Germany continues with WWII play book they haven't stop to control the world, there're in the forefront to bring the world to the brink of destruction

May the mercy of GOD help us all through this madness, this are completely evil and soulless people there not humans.
+1 # Merkel was made for all thisalexpike27 2022-12-08 11:31
There is that old video taped in Greece out it's called:
'Angela Merkel's Snake Dance'

Watch it and you don't have to know more about her. She was from the Eastern Germany Spook department, led by Mossad CIA double agent Markus Wolf. She knew Putin since years...
+3 # RE: Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel Admits: Minsk Agreements were only to "Buy Time" for Future Ukraine-Russia Wardherriott 2022-12-08 11:29
The odds are astronomically against ANY of the traitors ever being held accountable. Does anyone actually believe Merkel, or any of the other conspirators will be prosecuted? I think not! When common sense, morality and negotiations fail, it's time to lock and load. Looks to me like it's time!
+9 # Careful Halsupporttheblue 2022-12-08 11:26
the folks running the show are far more blatant than the fucks that arrested you the last time, and they fear no one. They are daring any of us to say something that will let the Adam Schitts in power take us off the stage of truth.
+8 # Daughter ofEssRyeOhBeeAh 2022-12-08 11:24
As the alleged daughter of Adolf, of course Merkel is part of the plan to support NAZI Ukraine. . .
+9 # Looks like we need a Bible verse today?MildB 2022-12-08 11:11
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"4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. " - Titus 3:4-7

 

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