INTEL: China Ammunition Now Found in Ukraine

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+2 # Intel — SBGlett77 2022-09-20 11:52

Please don't take this as pride in authorship, but I'm repeating this comment-on-a-comment up here at the top so it gets more readership. This "what is intel" thing needs to be cleared up with a proper definition:

Repeated comment:
.
Intel is information bearing on some need. It's not all some spy-novel, cloak and dagger fantasy stuff that came out of a netherworld. I don't care if it's from public sources, private contacts, dark web, obscure covered-up sources supposed to be public, or whatever - the fact is I wouldn't see the information if not for Hal scouring ALL sources, including some of his exclusive ones, on our behalf.

Then, one uses the intel, not as "he said this was going to happen", but as vague context for further observed events. Everybody who has a proper view of the utility of intel and recon knows this. We receive it; it is our responsibility to process it.

Can you imagine a staff officer whining about information not being "intel" just because it included public or public-but-censored information ?? No - he would plug it in with all his other intel, which includes erroneous stuff, and make decisions he bears responsibility for. Period. All decisions are made with incomplete information - a basic management skill - you just get as much as you can, and discern it and discern from it.

I appreciate Hal's work aggregating all these sources, and then sometimes offering a very considered, sober assessment and possible conclusions I probably wouldn't have the perspective to make.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Hal. Illigitimiti non carborundum.

+1 # Data points — oak2022 2022-09-20 13:15

I tend to see info here as useful data points more than conclusions in their own right.

I use these and other dataponts to reach conclusions. I don't get butthurt is something doesn't happen immediately. It's just data.

-2 # Right — SBGlett77 2022-09-20 15:53

You get what I'm saying, IMO.

-2 # typo — oak2022 2022-09-20 13:16

if not is

+1 # Retired Military intel here — The Infant Phenomenon 2022-09-20 13:03

Generally good comment. Thanks.

There is a distinction in definition between "intel info" and "intel."

Intel info is "raw"; that is to say, qualified intel analysts have not analyzed it.

"Intelligence" is info that has been analyzed by qualified analysts, who have, as the previous commenter correctly points out, fitted it into The Big Picture.

The term "intelligence" is not interchangeable with "intelligence information." They are simply not the same things.

-7 # RE: INTEL: China Ammunition Now Found in Ukraine — Paul Kurzlee 2022-09-20 11:21

it should be funny if we get to see the z fire on the China Soldiers. Hope these ukraine/nato scum get the balls to do it soon. It will be great to watch the China MEN turn around and wipe them out in large numbers. Thank YOU for coming to ukraine Mister Jinping. WE LOVE YOU SIR. **Salutes**

-2 # Does anybody know for sure — The Infant Phenomenon 2022-09-20 13:07

that the Chinese will be in actual combat roles?

I just cannot for the life of me imagine what interest China could possibly have in getting involved in ground-combat ops in the Ukraine. I am guessing--just guessing--that they are NOT there for combat, but for support roles.

Is there intelligence (not mere intelligence info) on this question. Direct combat role(s) vs support roles only?

-7 # RE: INTEL: China Ammunition Now Found in Ukraine — meanize1962 2022-09-20 08:36

Isn't anybody worried about the Russian nuclear power plant in Ukraine that's being shelled you know that's a Jack in The box situation inject in the boxes are known for being Christmas presents where you open them up and they pop out and Christmas time Russians seem to like that also it's the time for that painting with him with the big thick beerd too I hope we have physicists working around the clock around the world trying to find things that will bind to a nuclear power plants rods that will enclose it and cool it off it can be done with physics they just have the right chemistry mixes and cold enough it will make it very very cold like 300 below zero well then seconds crisis would be over with I think it's a byproduct of protein but it's chemistry it's nuclear physics it's metals chemistry of metals that's a whole field on itself that I think is hooked on her rug and under the ground I hope they have it ready you know he can read the whole world with that one power plant I may be only Russians in Chinese would survive this is a serious to the human race I said Jack in the box threat now all of a sudden him of his soldiers leaving Ukraine makes sense out of harm's Way it might be too easy for the ukrainians if I was in Ukrainian government I'd be wondering if it's too easy you know what you went so far and so quick easily you know if there is radiation going up into the sky and going into Poland there's nothing n a t o can do about it back when 1986 they lost $8,800 pilots they went up 40,000 ft with radioactive suits on something and still got sick you can't go flying in you can't do sorties you can't send a massive amounts of troops in there with radiation gear that might be the best thing in the world to a man that is desperate as Putin is right now we have a serious serious problem that needs to be addressed and why isn't the Marines there the United States Marines should be on the ground should be controlling and look for a power plant and they should have a 5 Mile why with no weapons artillery anywhere

+6 # RE: INTEL: China Ammunition Now Found in Ukraine — RAFO 2022-09-20 09:05

What??? One big run-on sentence…

+2 # The comment poster seems — The Infant Phenomenon 2022-09-20 13:11

to have no idea that the competition for time and attention on the internet is stiff. He seems unable to grasp that there is always something else to read and that nobody is going to spend the time slogging through a huge block of unpunctuated text.

-4 # Prophecy — John Jones 2022-09-20 07:55

And he shall be Levon....and he will be a good man. He shall be...Levon.

+4 # Tactics — Peachey 2022-09-20 07:27

Like Russia rotating troops to Ukraine and back to Russia for combat experience, maybe the Chinese are on a learning curve about actual combat fighting. More experience the easier to take Taiwan. Nothing like having hardened combat troops.

-11 # Mary ain’t no sissy — Maryelizabethanne 2022-09-20 05:20

As a catholic named Mary I’d like to ask you to use a different name for cowardly people. Mary , mother of God is not a sissy. She traveled alone through the mountains to visit Elizabeth. She gave birth in a barn without complaint. She stood by Jesus until he died thereby endangering herself. She is currently leading a war against Satan and will win! Check out her messages to Luz de Maria, Giselle CArdia, Fatima and more.

# Mary was the name . — Doug Brown 2022-09-20 11:02

It was Jesus' mother's name.
You can extricate all the Catholics gloss
and she was still the Mother of Jesus.
The mother of God. She and her son spent
30 years together.
The Jews and Protestants used to say use
bad words to describe her, like God's moll.
This isn't right.
Catholicism demands synthesis sometimes.
She was our Lord's mom. Take all the mumbo
Jumbo out of it. Being Jesus's mother makes
her instantly a cut above. This is but common
Sense. She demands our respect.

-3 # RE: Mary was the name . — Paul Kurzlee 2022-09-20 11:23

Quoting Doug Brown:

It was Jesus' mother's name.
You can extricate all the Catholics gloss
and she was still the Mother of Jesus.
The mother of God. She and her son spent
30 years together.
The Jews and Protestants used to say use
bad words to describe her, like God's moll.
This isn't right.
Catholicism demands synthesis sometimes.
She was our Lord's mom. Take all the mumbo
Jumbo out of it. Being Jesus's mother makes
her instantly a cut above. This is but common
Sense. She demands our respect.

I thought we got rid of harnass-hole. Why is this garbage starting up again now? FUCK mARY.

# " ... all generations will call me blessed, — The Infant Phenomenon 2022-09-20 13:26

for He that is mighty hath magnified me ... ."

Luke 1: 48.

Can we cut out the religion posting? Lots of readers here don't like it, and I don't blame them.

If you absolutely must blaspheme in writing, I'm sure you can find websites where that sort of thing is the everyday bill of fare.

Go there.

+1 # RE: Mary ain’t no sissy — PastorK 2022-09-20 10:15

Quoting Maryelizabethanne:

As a catholic named Mary I’d like to ask you to use a different name for cowardly people. Mary , mother of God is not a sissy. She traveled alone through the mountains to visit Elizabeth. She gave birth in a barn without complaint. She stood by Jesus until he died thereby endangering herself. She is currently leading a war against Satan and will win! Check out her messages to Luz de Maria, Giselle CArdia, Fatima and more.

With all due respect to Mary, Jesus' mother, she is not leading a war against Satan. Jesus is doing this as He receives direction from His Father. In a very short time, only as few years now, Jesus will come, with His holy angels, and the war against God's enemies with be amazingly short. Victory is already assured. The empty tomb is the sign of Jesus' victory.

# You, too, are mistaken — The Infant Phenomenon 2022-09-20 13:34

Satan is a created being--a creature. As such, his opponent is not Christ, the eternal & divine logos, but St Michael the Archangel. It is he who cast Satan out of heaven. It is he who cast Abaddon into the Pit (Rev. 9: 11)

But you are right that it is not the Blessed Mother who is leading the fight against Satan.

# RE: You, too, are mistaken — PastorK 2022-09-20 13:55

Quoting The Infant Phenomenon:

Satan is a created being--a creature. As such, his opponent is not Christ, the eternal & divine logos, but St Michael the Archangel. It is he who cast Satan out of heaven. It is he who cast Abaddon into the Pit (Rev. 9: 11)

But you are right that it is not the Blessed Mother who is leading the fight against Satan.

I stand corrected. Thank you. However, Michael gets his marching orders from Jesus who is given them from the Father.

+7 # Benefit to you? — KarGiver 2022-09-20 06:58

What do you gain for the offense you take? Can you identify a positive outcome for yourself for getting all riled up over people's use (or misuse as is your perception) of the name Mary? If this bothers you enough to post on Hal Turner Radio Show comments, what else is draining your energy for no benefit to your life whatsoever?

+13 # Please no — pmoore67 2022-09-20 06:10

Please don't be a future Haarnas (sp?).
I agree she was tough,but it ends there. She is just another blessed member of Heaven enjoying her rewards. She is not doing anything else, I see no biblical justification to indicate otherwise. This whole Q type stuff saying she speaks and is leading this or that, is wholly meant to get your eyes off the Son. The formula is Jesus plus nothing minus nothing (see the thief on the cross for reference).
I know you mean well, but you are on a slippery trail that may not end well. Blessings to you regardless.

+1 # I — Ted 2022-09-20 10:26

Think this board has become colonized by funds Protestants. Let’s call a truce, both sides do it. Then we can get down to the issues at hand, each in our our own way.

-2 # Funny Protestants, I mean, — Ted 2022-09-20 10:28

Peace to all.

-2 # Good grief sorry — Ted 2022-09-20 10:28

Mis-typing.

# Yes — SBGlett77 2022-09-20 09:28

.
That was a very tactful way of putting the truth. Now it is up to the reader to ponder, or retreat into dogma. Decisions have consequences eternally. .

+1 # Please — Steve in Buffalo 2022-09-20 09:06

It has been so peaceful around here the last couple of weeks.

+1 # They start small — Silas8 2022-09-20 04:14

Just like NATO they start out light, but will quickly advance to more heavy weapons.. maybe they will end up sending the Chinese stealthy aircraft

+2 # Looks like "Try before you buy" — carlireland34@gmail.com 2022-09-20 03:53

which makes a lot of sense, field testing.

+16 # People That Complain Rudely — Doug Brown 2022-09-20 03:01

It's hard enough getting world news and
analysis.
The popular news channels provide
nothing.
So it gets really old when this site is polluted
by egocentric big shots, who write in
detailed correction. Hal's erstwhile helpers.
It is old reading their sanctimonious bull
Shit.
So you want to correct Hal?
GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Hal is top-shelf, the correctors are not.

We are very thankful for Hal's continual efforts.

Hal doesn't have a big staff.
Hal doesn't have a newsroom.
Hal isn't even a "mom and pop" outfit, because
Hal does it all alone.

# Yep! Agreed... — J Grayman 2022-09-20 11:54

...and, as usual, very well stated!

For the bashers here, remember:

"Rudeness is a weak persons idea of strength"

"Walk with those seeking truth... RUN FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEY'VE FOUND IT."

+5 # looking for truth — Mirko 2022-09-20 01:40

Found on telegram channel :

Fake news:
China supplies weapons to Russia amid ammunition shortage. Videos of Chinese mortar shells found at positions are circulating in Ukrainian Telegram channels.

The fact:
The Russian army does not use 60mm mortars. The video captures a 1975 Chinese-made Type 27 mortar. A Chinese mortar with ammunition was captured (https://t.me/milinfolive/90681) by Russian fighters during the fighting for Rubizhnoye (https://t.me/milinfolive/84365) near Severodonetsk. Apparently, the mines were lying idle in the absence of mortars of the right calibre and have now passed back into the hands of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

China supplied these mines to Albania back in the 1970s. Albania subsequently handed them over as aid to Ukraine.

+2 # Changed Equation. — Doug Brown 2022-09-19 22:46

Its one thing for queen boy Zelinski to
fire on Russians...
It's quite another thing to fire on Chinese.

This new friend changes everything

+4 # Why is this premium? — tradebroker1 2022-09-19 22:39

Congrats you are using intel from telegram that linked to a twitter acct with these same photos. If its premium it should be from your sources and should not be second hand info.

+2 # From Albania — Dntspk1 2022-09-19 22:28

That was shit that China gave Albania back in the 70s and Albania gifted it to the Ukrainians. I found the story on Telegram.

# Comparisons — MANYROUNDS 2022-09-19 22:13

Lets pick a European country, how about France, now how far is Ukraine from there? Something akin to the distance from California to Kansas. Not all that far. Wonder how the folks in Paris feel about having not only Russia, but now China at the back door. Maybe the North Koreans are on the invite list too, and some others not so nice. Small world nowadays.

+7 # Callers — Angus 2022-09-19 21:53

Listened to tonight’s show….excellent until: you picked up the first call. From a gold bar to a cat turd in 2 seconds. I have no words

+1 # If I was — Dee Linn 2022-09-19 21:45

A Chinese military dude and was sent to a foreign country to fight (Ukraine) , I would be carrying new Chinese ammo with me . So then after I crossed into Ukraine then said ammo would then be found in Ukraine ?!!? So I'm thinking this is a normal course of events. Did I miss something ??

-2 # Yes — Dee Linn 2022-09-19 21:55

I missed what Hal said, "are now making their way into public view" ! (no longer being hidden)

# Biggest Question. — Doug Brown 2022-09-19 21:38

WILL ZELINSKI DARE ATTACK THE
CHINESE?
BIGGEST QUESTION.

-2 # Chinese are paper tiger — Azat818 2022-09-19 23:03

The Chinese have never won a war of offense ....they are a paper tiger.....no one is scared of China

-1 # Bigger question Doug, — oldschool 2022-09-19 22:28

Will Zelenskyy be "stupid" enough to attack the Chinese.

+2 # RE: Biggest Question. — The Deplorable Renegade 2022-09-19 22:06

Doug, if I was Zelensky I would act against anyone who invaded my country no matter who they are. Looks like now we’ll get to see the chicom army and weapon systems being used in Ukraine. Will be interesting to see how well the chicoms fight and if their weapon systems are any good. Never forget, MADE IN CHINA.

+1 # FJB and his Chinese — supporttheblue 2022-09-19 21:36

Brethren

+4 # I love how china "condemns" everything Biden does — Booskybobcat 2022-09-19 21:26

when most of the time hes doing what helps them. Lots of bullshit optics going on.

+3 # The real winners — Woulf 2022-09-19 21:10

They "sell" arms and ammo to "both" sides. "We" just keep "giving" it to Ukraine. Says a lot "huh".

+4 # They "sell" arms and ammo to "both" sides. — oldschool 2022-09-19 22:46

Perfect description of a Banker. ;-)

# The Full $16Bn List of What Biden Has Sent Ukraine... — White Lightning aka Raptor 2022-09-19 20:46

The U.S. military just told it’s own soldiers to use food stamps to keep their families fed during this ongoing period of high inflation, caused by the Biden regime’s own flawed economic analysis, coupled with the establishment’s COVID-19 lockdowns, and the war in Ukraine.

Which is why the full list of the $15bn+ in aid being sent to Ukraine by the U.S. government is likely to hit harder in the solar plexus.
https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/the-full-16bn-list-of-what-biden?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

-1 # Funny — GiJoe 2022-09-19 20:36

Did we not just read an article on this site about US stingers being sold out of Ukraine on the black market?

Are we just going to keep going back and forth from one side to the other?

-1 # Info — hhtlh 2022-09-19 20:08

It is nice the information is being presented as information or a possibility when the info is not corroborated.

It is info to be considered and useful when reading other sites to gain a clearer picture

Thanks.

+3 # Interesting find... — J Grayman 2022-09-19 19:53

Was doing a search, and found this, listed as posted 2 days ago...

60mm M-83 Chinese-made mortar shells found in Ukraine, looks like China is supplying russia after all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xgosdc/60mm_m83_chinesemade_mortar_shells_found_in/

# Ugh... — J Grayman 2022-09-19 22:26

Thought I'd add...
The above post is meant as a validation of Hal's reporting! Which, for you newbies, is a common type of post here.

I don't know who this "Getsum" is below...maybe "Getsum" should move on to 'getsum' someplace else!

-13 # Is this covert? — Getsum 2022-09-19 20:14

Is the information you posted covert or super covert...inquiring minds want to know. The photos look shockingly similar...Does Redit have a pay plan too for super secret covert intel too?

+24 # RE: Is this covert? — HalTurner 2022-09-19 20:38

I guess you missed the part (above) where I said "Images and video . . . are now making their way to public view."

I readily admitted these- or ones very similar-- may already be in the public domain. I stated that!

Of course, YOU have no idea how long I have had those images and video; and chose to sit on them for reasons that are important.

Instead, you make your smartass remark as if you've caught something sinister.

I love these amateurs who join, and within two weeks, think they know enough to challenge my reporting.

Although it does get old.

-7 # Not first rodeo — Getsum 2022-09-20 02:19

No Hal, not first timer. I thought I'd give you another shot out of curiosity about the covert stories, but I see not much has changed. Make sensational claims with little to zero proof, grainy non-dated obscure videos then pave a path to plausible deniability. You REGULARLY scalp other's stories and claim them as your own; MANY of your readers call you on it daily with links to the pre-posted stories. To those out there that are well read from numerous sources, the news here is often not new at all. And when confronted with the undeniable truth, you retaliate, demean and pull the "innocent" card...even with identical pictures from a story two days old (so no, you didn't lead the story, you copied it). And since you brought up your mysterious informants again, exactly how long has it been since you were in that position? All those people you worked with decades ago are still there? I find it difficult to believe that all these informants are willing to share classified information and risk losing their employment so you can get credit and make money on a shock news website. And for the record, I just making a joke and did not say anything that several others already said. Toughen up big guy.

+6 # Getsum?? — Doug Brown 2022-09-20 02:46

You seem like a pseudo, boring, extremely
disgruntled, piece of work.
You do not have to read Hal's articles,
nor listen to him Mon. through Friday.
So you precieve yourself a
USMC consultant?
You precieve yourself as helping out?
So thoughtful of you to correct
Hal.
Are you, like Simon, wanting
a little fee?
So you are a political contributor,
a scientist, a real analyst,
an intellectul all ready to set Hal straight?
Instead you sound like a has-been.

-5 # Wow — Getsum 2022-09-20 04:15

So, I'm wrong then...was that the point of your nonsensical tirade? Over these next few weeks I'll prove my point and I'm betting it won't take that long. It's not Intel if it's posted all over the internet, especially days before your article comes out. The truth may hurt, but it's still the truth. If that concept is a bit too deep for you, that's your issue, not mine.

# Intel — SBGlett77 2022-09-20 11:47

.
Intel is information bearing on some need. It's not all some spy-novel, cloak and dagger fantasy stuff that came out of a netherworld. I don't care if it's from public sources, private contacts, dark web, obscure covered-up sources supposed to be public, or whatever - the fact is I wouldn't see the information if not for Hal scouring ALL sources, including some of his exclusive ones, on our behalf.

Then, one uses the intel, not as "he said this was going to happen", but as vague context for further observed events. Everybody who has a proper view of the utility of intel and recon knows this. We receive it; it is our responsibility to process it.

Can you imagine a staff officer whining about information not being "intel" just because it included public or public-but-censored information ?? No - he would plug it in with all his other intel, which includes erroneous stuff, and make decisions he bears responsibility for. Period. All decisions are made with incomplete information - a basic management skill - you just get as much as you can, and discern it and discern from it.

I appreciate Hal's work aggregating all these sources, and then sometimes offering a very considered, sober assessment and possible conclusions I probably wouldn't have the perspective to make.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Hal. Illigitimiti non carborundum.

-1 # Exactly!!! — DM56 2022-09-19 19:43

"Nothing but questions right now."

-1 # afghanistan — srm 2022-09-19 19:39

We supplied the mujahadeen with Chinese ammo. I guess they are the suppliers of choice.

-1 # Interesting timing? with Xi Jinping calling for a "Eurasian NATO — Bren1776 2022-09-19 19:36

Xi Jinping calling for a "Eurasian NATO - "https://warnews247.gr/manifesto-proedrou-kinas-gia-evrasiatiko-nato-meionetai-i-ischys-ton-ipa-o-monopolikos-kosmos-exafanizetai-nea-taxi-pragmaton-me-rosia/

+1 # Look on his face... — Doug Brown 2022-09-19 19:30

Would like to see the look on scrotum boys
face when he discovered is true. That's
Zelinski.

# He Knows ... — Nda 2022-09-19 20:12

Gonna get popped just as soon as they don't need 'em anymore ....

The. End.

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