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Italy freezes arms supplies to Ukraine

Rome is easing up on its arms supplies to Ukraine amid Kiev’s ongoing military conflict with Russia, Il Messaggero reported on Tuesday, citing sources within the Italian government that claim no new weapons packages are under consideration at the moment.

Although new Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has pledged to honor Kiev’s request for more military assistance and advanced air defense systems, the outlet says all arms shipments to Ukraine are currently on stand-by.

“Only and only because it is first necessary to coordinate with NATO and go into detail on Ukraine’s military requests. Only then will we understand what Kiev needs and what armaments we will be able to supply,” government officials reportedly told Il Messaggero.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg is expected to visit Italy in the coming days to meet with Meloni and Italian Defense Minister Giulio Crosetto. Together, they are expected to discuss what weapons are essential to defend Kiev and work to solve three key issues before military shipments can resume.

The first one being Kiev’s request for the very expensive SAMP-T surface-to-air anti-aircraft missile systems. According to Italy’s Defense Ministry, the country only has a few of these systems at its disposal and if it were to deliver some of them to Kiev, it would risk weakening its own air defense capabilities. Il Messaggero notes that this issue could result in Rome sending other weapon systems to Kiev instead.

Italy has also yet to completely fulfill delivery of five arms packages already pledged to Ukraine. “We have to complete the job, before facing a new one,” sources told the outlet.

Finally, in order for any new weapons packages to be approved for Kiev, the minister of defense must discuss the issue with the Parliamentary Committee on Services, which is still not operational following the recent elections in Italy.

Despite this temporary delay in approving a sixth weapons package for Ukraine, Italy’s new government insists that military support for Kiev is “not in question.” Meloni, who recently became the country’s first female prime minister, told parliament last week that the only way to facilitate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine is by helping Kiev defend itself militarily.

Russia, meanwhile, has repeatedly warned the West against pumping Ukraine with weapons, insisting that it would only prolong the conflict and lead to more bloodshed.

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# Interesting timesAussiefrank 2022-11-04 00:06
Guessing the time it takes to produce these weapons system vs countries defence stockpiles is now a factor in all future donations. Meanwhile China is pumping out arms while the West exhausts them.
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+2 # Italy Not playing that Game..Garyhines 2022-11-03 18:58
Looks like Italy has wise up. No more weapons to Ukraine. But in the United States we gotta keep sending weapons on top of more weapons. This is part of the reason your society collapsing. Biden talks horse manure out his mouth we are losing our Democracy.when in the hell did ever become a democracy. He Needs to be beat in the head with Ax Handle . You are a Republic bgot it. The weapons will continue pouring in to the Killing Fields of Ukraine. Italy got brains the United States no brains .
-1 # RE: Italy Not playing that Game..mjc 2022-11-04 18:23
Quoting Garyhines:
Looks like Italy has wise up. No more weapons to Ukraine. But in the United States we gotta keep sending weapons on top of more weapons. This is part of the reason your society collapsing. Biden talks horse manure out his mouth we are losing our Democracy.when in the hell did ever become a democracy. He Needs to be beat in the head with Ax Handle . You are a Republic bgot it. The weapons will continue pouring in to the Killing Fields of Ukraine. Italy got brains the United States no brains .


Except that's exactly the OPPOSITE of what they said.....

https://news.yahoo.com/only-way-peace-helping-ukraine-164312806.html

"-The only way to facilitate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine is helping Kyiv to defend itself militarily, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni told parliament on Wednesday.

"Peace can be achieved by supporting Ukraine ... it is the only chance we have for the two sides to negotiate," Meloni told the Senate ahead of a confidence vote on her newly appointed rightist government.

Meloni has repeatedly pledged support to Kyiv, while her coalition allies Silvio Berlusconi and Matteo Salvini have been much more ambivalent on the issue due to their historic ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Meloni said that while the arms Italy supplies to Ukraine are not decisive for the outcome of the war, they are vital for Italy to maintain its international credibility."

They just came out of elections. They pledged more arms. The parliamentary panel that has to approve each new sale.......has not yet been reformed.

But to be fair......they WILL NOT be agreeing to the request for SAMP-Ts (they don't have any to give).

Those will instead be American NASMS/Hawks/Stingers.

The NASMS will be a slightupgrade from the SAMP-Ts (30km on the NASMs with American radar vs the 30km for the Aster-15s in the SAMP-Ts).
+3 # Stupid bitchJoedamiani 2022-11-03 18:35
I see italy voted in a stupid bitch. U can see she is already controlled,,, didn’t take long. The global scum own her now. F—-ing cowards. Al of them. Hal was right on the money when he said a very small number of scumbags are running this global shit. They must be taken out With prejudice… from Rothschild down to the Obama fagots. And take killery also.
-1 # RE: Italy freezes arms supplies to UkraineEddamnit 2022-11-03 18:33
I'm curious, is there an up side to joining NATO?
-1 # RE: Italy freezes arms supplies to Ukrainemjc 2022-11-04 18:28
Quoting Eddamnit:
I'm curious, is there an up side to joining NATO?


Sure ....
# of NATO members invaded by Russia since 2000 : 0
# of non-NATO members invaded by Russia since 2000 : 4 (Georgia, Kyrgystan, Ukraine, Kazakhstan)


The latest Ukrainian invasion (putting aside their military failures) has been a COLOSSAL political/diplomatic failure for Russia.

Congratulations!! Russia now just got Finland & Sweden to (finally) join NATO!


Yuge winning!!!
+3 # WWIIIVercinge 2022-11-03 18:10
Italy is the most strategically important Zionist America colony in the Mediterranean sea since the end of the Second World War, which has been provoked for this purpose. After the end of the war, all the politicians and businessmen who tried to defend Italian sovereignty and interests (such as Enrico Mattei for oil, Aldo Moro for sovereignty, Enrico Belinguer for his third way: no USA no USSR, Bettino Craxi for his disobedience about the military base of Sigonella, and many others) have been murdered directly or indirectly by Zionist America who, as if that were not enough, consider with contempt and derision the Italians all mobsters, when in reality the mobsters so well represented by Coppola's Godfather, compared to the American zionist politicians are boy scouts. Thank God (even if it will be a planetary unavoidable drama) the deserved end of shameful American zionist hegemony in the world is approaching, because Russia, leader of multipolar world, has no intention at all to renouce its sovereignity and has the means to do so.
# Don't worryMan of the Atom 2022-11-06 03:24
I think most of their population got jabbed and if the contrarian biomedical scientists and frontline physicians are correct, they will be among the billions of people who will die mysteriously in the next 2 to 5 years. I don't know what is going to happen (maybe at some level I do) but if you read the Gateway Pundit and the COVID Blog you will see that the number of "sudden and unexpected" deaths are increasing among younger, healthier people and many of them had on their social media this post: "I got my COVID vaccine. We can do this!" I still remember a young 18-22 year old Italian girl, very pretty who died from massive blood "clots" in her cerebral circulation. The Italian neurosurgeon who operated on her said "I have never seen anything like this."
+7 # RE: Italy freezes arms supplies to UkraineRockyMountainBeerMan 2022-11-03 17:48
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She either is or will be a target for the NWO goons if she gets in their way.
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+4 # RE: Italy freezes arms supplies to UkraineGunner 2022-11-03 17:40
Ukraine is a true MESS and then some.
+6 # This reminds me of Italy as an Axis countryla0508 2022-11-03 17:24
in WWII: the Germans tore their hair out dealing with the Italians as "allies" in WWII. Always agreeing and smiling, but virtually every plan the Germans made with Italy was screwed up in some creative fashion. But always with a smile and assurances of agreement. My great grandparents used to listen to Mussolini's speeches on the radio and fall off their chairs laughing.
# RE: This reminds me of Italy as an Axis countrymjc 2022-11-04 18:35
Quoting la0508:
in WWII: the Germans tore their hair out dealing with the Italians as "allies" in WWII. Always agreeing and smiling, but virtually every plan the Germans made with Italy was screwed up in some creative fashion. But always with a smile and assurances of agreement. My great grandparents used to listen to Mussolini's speeches on the radio and fall off their chairs laughing.


You just fail to understand how Italy is 'great'.

From Catch-22 :
https://youtu.be/WeVWupFBkA8

"I am a very moral man! And Italy is a verrry moral country. Which is why we WILL come out on top again, if only we can succeed in being defeated...."
+20 # Putin, far from the madman he is painted to be, has been remarkably patient.TigerTiger 2022-11-03 17:14
Putin has watched NATO, the USA and the Western countries supply Ukraine with weapons and intelligence to kill Russians. I don't know the deep story of this war, but my impression is that some of the more Eastern parts of Ukraine were always ethnically Russian, and they have been persecuted for some years now (2014?) without much fanfare from Western media. Ukraine was historically a part of Russia, or at least a brother. This is a brother war, and I don't see why it would be any of our (USA) business to get involved. Or the rest of Europe.

Putin seems to be the most rational player on the board right now, and that feels really weird to write. I was brought up thinking the West were the Good Guys and Russia (USSR) was the Bad Guys. Now I have my own President calling me a threat to democracy because of my political views, and I have the President of Russia sounding more and more rational by the day. It's all so very confusing.
# Cool hand LukeMan of the Atom 2022-11-06 03:31
Yes, I agree with you about his speeches. They are impressive. Our politicians talk in absurd sound bites and their "genius" approach to foreign policy is to make strong allies of Russia and China, the latter of which has already stated that Germany and Japan (throw in Italy) lost WW II because they did not coordinate their actions and added that we will not follow that approach. With the "leaders" we have, "be afraid, be very afraid".
+7 # Thank you, TigerTigerFollowTheeMoreNearly 2022-11-03 17:19
I give you my one person, solo welcome to Hal's web site. I'm enjoying your posts of your insights and opinions and I look forward to seeing your writings as your knowledge increases.
+8 # Thank you!TigerTiger 2022-11-03 17:22
I appreciate it. And I apologise for my verbosity, the last few years has built up a lot of crap inside my head and sometimes it's like a storm trying to get out. I'm glad Hal has created this place where we can speak freely, the way the internet is going, this may not be so easy to do for long. The calls for censorship are increasing, and you know they won't stop.

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