UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over Ukraine

UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over Ukraine

At least thirty-two (32) military Generals have convened for a meeting at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, to discuss future "aid" and "tactics" for the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict.  Today, the world will find out if Germany will approve the sending of German tanks to Ukraine - a "Red Line" for Russia.

Germany manufactures the Leopard-2 main battle tank.  Several other countries in Europe have purchased a number of these tanks over the years, and want to ive them to Ukraine, so as to fight Russia, but there's a problem.

When a country manufactures weapons, and then sells those weapons to another country, the sale is contingent on the receiving country agreeing NOT to re-sell (or give) those weapons to anyone else without permission of the originating country.

In this case, Poland want to give the Leopard-2 tanks they bought, to Ukraine.   Germany has not given permission, so the tanks cannot go.

Last week, the German Defense Minister, Lebrecht, resigned  There is now a new Defense Minister, and he is attending today's meeting at Ramstein Air Base.

Leaked information coming out of Germany indicates the new minister will approve the transfer of Leopard-2 tanks, but right now, that is only RUMOR.

Yet, there are additional problems.

Through political back-channels, Russia has informed Germany that if German tanks attack Russian soil, it will be a violation of the Potsdam Treaty that ended World War Two.   That Treaty makes clear Germany is only allowed to have a "Defense Force" which can be used "for nothing else."   Manufacturing tanks which are then sent to Ukraine to fight Russia, would be using the German military for "something else" and Russia's position is that will violate the Demilitarization" provisions of the Potsdam Treaty.  Russia allegedly told Germany that if German tanks attack Russian soil "World War 3 will begin immediately.

The rub here is that the former oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporozyhe, have now joined Russia and been accepted by the Russian legislature, called the Duma.  So those territories are now "Russian soil."

Ukraine does not recognize this, nor does the collective West.  They refer to those oblasts as having been "illegally annexed."

So Russia views the territories as Russian soil, the West does not.  If Ukraine is given German tanks and use those tanks to attack "Russian Soil" it will re-start World War 2, or be known as "World War 3."

That is how close the entire world is to horrifying war on a vast scale, and we all get to hear the decision about the German tanks, today.


UPDATE 11:50 AM EST --

The new German Defense Minister, Boris Pistorius has just publicly announced "NATO countries failed to reach a unified position regarding the supply of Leopard 2 tanks to Kyiv."   He went on to say ""Statements by the media that Germany is on the way to creating a coalition to send heavy tanks to Ukraine are lies. There are good reasons to send equipment, but there are also reasons not to."  All pros and cons must be weighed. Many allies share our point of view, Pistorius added.


# Ukraine - Russian Army Activates Southern FrontGruntpa 2023-01-22 10:55
The long expected Russian offensive in Ukraine has begun.

The slaughter is catastrophic for Ukraine.
May God have mercy on their souls.
The Empire of Flies is running out of carcasses to devour.

Let the ass kicking begin.
“Ukrainian forces retake vital city” will now be “Ukrainian forces move west to bolster defensive positions”
# RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over Ukraineselah 2023-01-21 10:17
Jap economy in big trouble too. War is the answer for the satanic warmongers.
+1 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineRockyMountainBeerMan 2023-01-20 22:52
I have written repeatedly that China cannot defeat either Russia or China on its own. That is why they pit us against each other, so we destroy each other and, while we are busy doing that, China takes not only Taiwan, but Japan, the Philippines, Australia, and SE Asia and perhaps India/Pakistan.
-2 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineJbudd22 2023-01-20 21:32
Regarding tonight's news on China's threat to Japan becoming the next Ukraine. We all know their threat to shoot down US Jets carrying Pelosi on her way to Taiwan never happened so my guess is Russia will assist China in attacking Japan. It's obvious China does not have the balls to engage the US alone or they would have shot down Pelosi's plane. The US needs to start annihilating its enemies one by one.
+3 # Sorryu129520 2023-01-20 21:43
Nobody wins a nuclear war
+3 # Abrams and NATO tanksboogers 2023-01-20 21:11
All too heavy for Ukraine, stuck in mud worse! They weigh a lot. Plus cannot refuel except at a NATO base in Europe and small bridges also a problem.
+3 # At this pointWoulf 2023-01-20 21:00
They need to "worry less" about "military aid" and more about "First Aid". They seem to need it.
+1 # I seem to rememberKevin 2023-01-20 20:34
I seem to remember that Russia was establishing a new military base South of the Panama Canal. You know, the same canal that 40% of US imports go through.

With no mfg base and no imports, how long could the US last in a war with Russia?

Anyone have any updates on this Russian base?
+5 # RE: I seem to rememberdave0975644 2023-01-20 20:48
Quoting Kevin:
I seem to remember that Russia was establishing a new military base South of the Panama Canal. You know, the same canal that 40% of US imports go through.

With no mfg base and no imports, how long could the US last in a war with Russia?

Anyone have any updates on this Russian base?

I seem to remember that management of the
Panama Canal was sold to China or some
Chinese organization... haven't heard much
of anything more about it... also seem to
remember China buying in and taking over
the management of some large port in Israel...
# RE: I seem to rememberSnug 2023-01-21 07:43
Quoting dave0975644:
[quote name="Kevin"]Panama Canal was sold to China

Agreed, Chinese.

Two plus sunk ships equals months of traffic.

Besides, one man and correct weaponry and no ship will make the transition.

If there's war then count on Panama to be permanently closed for shipping.
# A BIG conKevin 2023-01-20 20:31
A BIG con would be getting nuked.
+2 # Meanwhile...dave0975644 2023-01-20 20:24

some of that training involves US Nat.Guard troops IN Taiwan training Taiwanese troops...

that is a direct provocation to the CCP and
very probably an automatic red line...
+7 # Let's face it...Gulfcaptain 2023-01-20 20:11
The whole "aide" to Ukraine is a money laundering scheme to bilk billions from American coffers routed back to defense contractors and the pockets of connected politicians. Pigs at the trough get the bulk of it and where Ukraine gets the old scraps.

Remember the fight Rand Paul got on the outset when he insisted on accountability for the funds? Nope, can't have that!! Ukraine is a black hole of dark money, waste and graft.

Meanwhile, the WEF dream of their "new world order" when Russia is defeated. And the Russian church predicts "the end" for these globalist Godless demons.
+1 # RightMan of the Atom 2023-01-21 04:22
Romney, Kerry, Pelosi, and Biden all have their hands in the till through relatives on "boards" over there. As I understand this, there is no law against a foreign power giving $$$ to your relatives and guess where that $$$ goes? We have become a "republic" of thieves.
+5 # Re:Let's face it...Galwaypoet 2023-01-20 20:56
yes I agree, as I've said in several of my posts. It doesn't do me any good anymore to try to feret out the truth or even stay current with what is happening via regular news, inside covert intel, or any other info source. Actually, the truth has beeni staring me right in the eyes. As American patriot Gen. Smedley Butler succinctly made it clear, war is just a stinking money racket. I've already erased my credibility with family and friends warning them of a soon to be global conflagration that is not even going to happen. Because if it did happen, the money spigot would be turned off, along with the emotional "high" that the banksters and other scum get from "spiritual vampirism." They feed off emotional stress generated within the confused and constantly concerned masses. The more a situation is not brought to closure, the more they get from it. Even the "prepper community" is making a killing off of the racket. I'm stopping wasting my time worrying about any of this crap any more. No point in it. Nobody will know anything concrete until a bright flash occurs. There won't be any believable trail of circumstances leading up to the flash. It will just happen when it is least expected. That's the nature of a fallen planet. And that's the way it is, January 20th, 2023. (Imho) Good night and good luck to us all.
+3 # Alsorainman5000 2023-01-20 19:51
Its also my opinion that Zelensky would have a hell of problem trying to get these tanks to the front lines. He's losing supply lines on almost a daily basis...and not much air good luck getting them to the front...or maybe NATO would give him air support to guarantee delivery. Another ploy to get NATO involvement direct involvement.
+3 # Just tanks are not the entire issuerainman5000 2023-01-20 19:42
In my opinion, Zelensky is NOT asking for tanks. He's asking for tanks he has no personnel to operate?? No, what he wants are tanks AND THE TRAINED MEN to run them. Just like the sophisticated missile systems, etc. just last week (It could have been on this site..or WarNews)that Russia made the statement that it takes over a full year of advanced trainind to just begin to become efficient with these tank Russia is not fooled. Zelensky is REALLY wanting direct NATO involvement.He knows very well the tanks alone will do him no good.
+5 # John Robert Mallernee, KB3KWS, in Vernal, Utahwritesong 2023-01-20 19:05
Mr. Turner, et Alia:

I very much enjoy listening to your radio broadcast.

In 1968, my very first assignment in the United States Army, as a Private First Class (PFC), E-3, Field Radio Relay and Carrier Equipment Repairman (MOS 31L20), right after completion of the Southeastern Signal School at Fort Gordon, Georgia, was to Company A, 11th Air Defense Signal Battalion, 32d Army Air Defense Command, headquartered at Kleber Kaserne in Kaiserslautern, Germany, from where I was TDY to Spangdahlem Air Force Base.

"Ramstein", as in Ramstein Air Force Base, is (or was?) pronounced "Ram-STYNE", NOT, "Ram-STEEN".

Thank you.

(or should I say, "Danke Schoen"?)

John Robert Mallernee, KB3KWS, in Vernal, Utah
+1 # John Robert in Vernal,,chip 2023-01-20 22:41
Took basic training at Fort Gordon
from Dec 68 to Feb1969.
+2 # SemanticsWoulf 2023-01-20 21:04
Potato, pə-tā′tō - TATER!
+3 # General Analysis of Front Lines and Also about Tanksdave1963 2023-01-20 17:30
Excellent Analysis Site. Link to latest analysis below. Tank situation addressed in last half of the essay. Worth reading in entirety.
+6 # The plot thickens...FewThereBe 2023-01-20 16:33

Desperation setting in as the US realizes that if Russia removes the Ukraine from being a country, then there is no "country" to re-pay all of the Ukrainian war debt!

The United States will give western Ukraine to Poland in exchange for paying off Kyiv's debts, says the NDP.

The United States could take such a step if Poland takes over the financial obligations of the Ukrainian government, which owes $150 billion.
+19 # My Two-cents Worthcathbad 2023-01-20 16:22
I listened to the list of US military equipment to be sent to Ukraine. Some of it is obsolete. The M113 armored personnel carrier contract was up in 2007. No more were made.

But another thing struck me about military equipment being sold to foreign countries. I used to be an Equipment Specialist in the Dept. of the Army for insuring the technical material for equipment being sold to foreign military governments. In this case it was for Firefinder, the mortar and artillery locating Radars. Not all foreign militaries were given fully functional systems like the US military versions were. They were somewhat "watered-down" versions. I was told the same was true for jet fighter aircraft and other weapons systems.

All this to say if all these foreign military weapons systems are delivered to Ukraine from Poland, Germany, France, Romania, etc, and they are varied versions and capabilities, wouldn't that just compound Ukraine's problems? E.g., learning curves, language problems, parts interchangeability, etc.

It sounds to me NATO is just off-loading most of it's junk onto Ukraine. Germany has had to pull Leopard tanks out of mothballs that didn't even run. This whole thing sounds to me like a HUGE Charlie Foxtrot. Russia will just simply kick ass.

One last item - a little nit-picky. No country on earth has "heavy" tanks anymore. All are "medium" tanks in the 55 ton-range. I spent 4 years on M60 series tanks in the 1970s and studied armor thoroughly. Heavy tanks were land boats that were easy targets because of their slow speeds. And really, tank warfare is a thing of the past. But they sure are fun as hell...
+3 # RE: My Two-cents WorthWoulf 2023-01-20 21:12
They could send me a couple of those M113's. My idea of a real redneck RV.
Parking, anywhere you want.
Drunk drivers, no problem.
Rioters, car jackers, strays rounds.
+9 # Re: Two-cents....Galwaypoet 2023-01-20 16:45
Very good points. Heavy armor is a bit like a slow huge aircraft carrier. Things of the past, most likely. So the plot does indeed thicken.
+7 # RE: My Two-cents WorthFewThereBe 2023-01-20 16:37

Great post.
+9 # Re: NATO and ZelenskyGalwaypoet 2023-01-20 15:59
Things may be getting grim for Zelensky. Will the USA stand the guy's corpse up by any means possible to justify the squandering of all munitions and war material JUST short of main battle tanks? It's gonna come down to what the U.S does in this mess. Is the U.S. a fence-sitter, a cowardly troublemaker, or a tool of satan? Or all of the above?

U.S. citizens are being duped as they have little to no health care, no food, fuel, or decent jobs and are being bitch-slapped by the WEF.
+1 # █▓▒░ The Jerusalem Post - Israel News ░▒▓█Palehorse 2023-01-20 15:41


"...according to a report by the Ukrainian Center of National Resistance."

It's getting ugly now!

The Ukrainian report must be virtuous as it is brought forward
by the creditable people of the Zionist Jerusalem Post.

+5 # Satan Hates The GermansMax S Stofle 2023-01-20 15:22
He took over the Riech ,two wars Even the Romans Once Feared The Germanic Tribes they Biult a Wall ,Satan Wants To Destroy The Once Mighty Germans Sad ,Now The Saxons Will get Nuked,I Say Rise Up REZIST EVIL ,As Jesus once Said Humaniety will come under a Great Delusion ,Iam asking the Men Woman Who Swore a OATH ,to Protect The American people ,Do Your Fucking Job take our Country Back From the Gooles in the White house before it;s to late ,God Have Mercy on your Pathetic Souls ,God Bless The Reublic ,Peace Max
+2 # "Translation" 2023-01-20 15:11
"Ease them Tanks into Ukraine."
+10 # Lyrics for "War Pigs" - Black Sabbathdewill 2023-01-20 14:52
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction

In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun

Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!
# And it's 1, 2, 3 what are we fighting for?Kevin 2023-01-20 20:41
Don't ask me {you know the rest of the song.}
+3 # War PigsDonS 2023-01-20 16:15
What a classic! And yes ,many will be begging mercy however too late for them .
+6 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over Ukraineebelfer52 2023-01-20 14:40
NATO just blinked, at least publicly. doubt this is the end of it
+12 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineRockyMountainBeerMan 2023-01-20 14:10
They'll find a way. They just can't let those tanks sit there now, can they? Their lord and master, Satan, must be served, after all...
+2 # Officials deny 'linkage' between US and Germany sending Ukraine tanks? LOL! RIGHT!MildB 2023-01-20 13:51
Austin, after the meeting of defense leaders, was asked about the possible German demand, and he said there was "no linkage."

“I think you heard the German minister of defense say earlier today that there’s no linkage between providing M1’s [Abrams] and providing Leopards, and I think he was pretty clear about that,” the secretary said. “So this notion of unlocking, you know, in my mind, it’s not an issue.”

(The word of a traitor is no word at all)
-5 # A teens cant quote the exact message because can't remember it word for word…MildB 2023-01-20 13:58
Hum? but this was an ACTUAL argument my !EX! And I had. He was also the type to be all “ changing my daugters diaper would be too weird for me “?

A diaper, baseball fans YIKES!
+8 # the Dutch are doomedremonkok 2023-01-20 13:45
The Dutch nazi in parlement just send the Patriot missile systems towards Ukraine. As far as I know besides the shoulder based Stinger missiles the Dutch dont have any other mobile anti air systems left. The old Mobile Cheetah anti air guns are decommissioned many years ago. So in other words the Dutch are doomed. Thanks to those damn Nazi's in parlement and the Royal Family
+5 # Could it be....Mel 2023-01-20 13:42
More than a couple of these esteemed and learned folk have actually grown a pair, found a little brass to polish them up with, and coupled them with two sober and functioning brain cells?

This truly sounds like someone had a reality check and told the UK, France, and DC to back off. Self preservation was still important.

Thank You, Father! Prayer answered.
+9 # Re: Could it be...Galwaypoet 2023-01-20 14:29
Well, it seems like Germany got a bad rap concerning its history. Germans did the RIGHT thing by sending tanks into Russia to stop the evil (((Marxist/Bolshevik/Communists))) from bringing Godless evil upon the world. Now they are doing the right thing by NOT sending tanks into a new reborn Christian Russia. A reborn Russia that stands against all the evil, ugly nonsese now at the heart of western societies.
# This is what we are getting in our neck of the woodsMildB 2023-01-20 13:40
Pentagon Forced To Tap Unreported Ammo Stockpile In Israel To Support Ukraine?

The stockpile in Israel has previously gone unreported, while another stockpile held oversees is also being tapped, in South Korea. Both countries have themselves thus far maintained an official policy of not arming Ukraine, with Israel in particular coming under pressure by both Washington and Ukrainian officials to send lethal aid.

Israeli reluctance and the fact that it must walk a fine diplomatic line with Russia given the Russian military presence in Syria, makes the Pentagon using its Israeli stores for a conflict in eastern Europe deeply controversial.

+3 # JakesShadesofgreen 2023-01-20 13:36
Well no WW3.

But the Russians are waiting for the right excuse to attack Europe.

Look I don’t support Zelenskyy and I sure as don’t support the Russians either.

As far as I know they are both Russian territories with internal problems.

I also don’t support our Federal government because they believe they are sovereign over the people of this nation as stated by the Supreme Court decision not to hear Brunson vs Adams case. The case was about corruption in government and failure to do their duty in investigating the 2020 election.

The proplem we have in our government is that they don’t give a damn about WE THE PEOPLE since they have destroyed our REPUBLIC in which WE THE PEOPLE control the government through representation based on the Constitution ordained by GOD through our founding fathers.

WE THE PEOPLE Sadly don’t even realized we don’t have a Republic based on Democracy principles any more because everyone is too caught up in their lives in which they have to find ways to survive today.

WAKE UP PEOPLE because all of you will be boiled like a Frog in a Pot very soon and the Russians and Chinese as well as TURNCOATS IN OUR GOVERNMENT will control your lives if you Don’t WAKE UP!

If things don’t change quickly!
+1 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over Ukraineceltic73 2023-01-20 13:32
I was just watching the Polish news...they're actually talking about transferring the German tanks to Ukraine despite the fact that Germany so far said no. This is nuts. One of the questions was what about the transfer agreements to which the Polish official just said that in this situation it's worth breaking it!!!.. UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE..
# RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineKevin 2023-01-20 20:45
Quoting celtic73:
I was just watching the Polish news...they're actually talking about transferring the German tanks to Ukraine despite the fact that Germany so far said no. This is nuts. One of the questions was what about the transfer agreements to which the Polish official just said that in this situation it's worth breaking it!!!.. UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE..

Ah ha! That's Germany's out; "We told them not to do it, but they did it anyway."
+1 # Re:NATOGalwaypoet 2023-01-20 13:30
Well unless the decision is a ruse, I have to applaude Germany's non-action on the tank issue. appears (at least on the surface) the intent of the U.S/NATO is to wage this proxy war forever until the western population is ground down into dust by economic attrition. There is no point in warning friends and family of a coming global war, if the whole thing is nothing more than a tool of the WEF to make the population poor, wretched slobs who are happy owning nothing. Can you say Chicken Little Syndrome ?Seems like there will be no reason for Russia to strike first with WMD's if the purpose of NATO is to have a war without actually having one.
# Re: NATOGalwaypoet 2023-01-20 13:42
At this point I see no existential threat to Russia any time soon. The western weasles just want to make this dreary mess last as long as possible for fun and profit. The whole damn thing is starting to stink to high heaven.

+7 # Who controls NATO?paulattahoe 2023-01-20 13:22
I believe NATO's intentions become completely understandable if you know anything about the Committee of 300 and the goals of the Illuminati.
+2 # Smart MoveA706 2023-01-20 13:21
Ramstein conference ends with NO leopard tanks to Ukraine following German refusal.
+4 # Enough moneyKA3PCX 2023-01-20 13:19
This is wasted tax payers money I wonder how much the big guy gets to keep
+5 # The End is near...WilliamtheResolute 2023-01-20 13:04
Since the year 2020 the Globalists have taken off their masks and come for humanity. The realization that our votes means nothing and that all illegitimate POTUS's work for corporate America and the MIC has never been more obvious. Our country is clearly under attack from all directions, food, finance, morally and spiritually while we are as divided as ever...they fear the patriot. We should make sure they never forget our response...
+3 # OT: DAVOS BLOCKBUSTER: "Electric for thee, and gas for me!!"JFY 2023-01-20 13:00
This is from Jim Stone's site.

Apparently the WEFfers want everything for themselves and nothing for us. "Nothing" as in a medieval serf probably had more than these satanic scum want to leave us with.

There's also an important note on how our wifi routers or anything else with a wifi signal (cell phones, laptop, etc) can track us with pinpoint accuracy without the need for cameras.

DAVOS BLOCKBUSTER: "Electric for thee, and gas for me!!

A Japanese reporter interviewed a driver for one of the elite at Davos. The driver laid it all out, an epic bust that would usually only be possible by putting a microphone on the meetings, (the private ones, not the public ones). The driver said the elite will continue to use gasoline while the rest of us are forced into electric because electric is not reliable enough and is considered dangerous to them. They, but not us, need cars that give better warning before failure and have a more reliable measure of distance on the fuel guage, lots of things cause electric cars to sometimes deliver less than half the range they indicate is possible and that's not good enough for the Davos crowd and when an electric car fails, it is simply lights out, not a check engine light.

This is one of those videos that will get vaporized because it tells the entire truth in one go. For the "climate crisis" garbage at least, we did not need to get a microphone in that place, we got the answer out on the street. And that answer is: They know damn well gasoline powered cars do not ruin the environment, they are instead simply too reliable and too useful for us to have anymore, they'll continue driving gas while we get electric.

If the embed below does not play (I don't expect this to last) I have it saved and have stripped the audio off so it can be heard click here. in the video she just points the camera at the driver's feet because he does not want to be identified anyway, there's nothing to watch.
# Menu?Kevin 2023-01-20 20:49
I bet no bugs were on the menu!
-1 # Menu?Kevin 2023-01-20 20:48
I bet no bugs were on the menu!
+1 # Stones siteGmcclenon 2023-01-20 13:33
Omg. When did Stone get his site back up?? I had no idea he was back up and running again. When did that happen?
+1 # RE: Stones siteJFY 2023-01-20 19:01
He went through two months of hell on earth. That includes living in the streets and barely having enough to eat.

Apparently when they operated on his wife they managed to get to her either then or soon thereafter and they destroyed her mind. She in turn destroyed Stone's life, but I have never seen someone so impressively resilient and tough as nails as Jim Stone. He has pulled through and is now stable enough to keep on plugging.

The link to his site is in my post above.
+4 # West is full of lies and cheatsChappyusa1 2023-01-20 12:59
If they want those tanks, they will find a way. Even for the pee-wee minds to come up with some way around laws or they make or bend laws to whatever they choose. It's all lies and bullshit.

No wonder Russia doesn't trust them, I wouldn't either.
+2 # no tanksGroundpounder 2023-01-20 12:57
no tanks the only move left is for nato to actively.engage russia in ukraine
+4 # .Haywardus 2023-01-20 12:54
The seeds to their own destruction are sowed within their own plan. He Who sits in the Heavens laughs. He holds them in derision.
+1 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineFewThereBe 2023-01-20 12:47

Journalist, expert in the field of information security, analyst of news agency “Telecentre “ Elizabeth Musina:

On January 20, a meeting is held at the American Ramstein base in Germany, which will decide the fate of Ukraine.

Most likely, the head of the Pentagon, Lloyd Austin, will raise the issue of transferring longer-range missiles, air defense systems, tanks and howitzers to Kyiv.

And gentlemen Europeans will pay for it. The first to lose her nerve was German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht, who resigned.

She realized in time, because Kyiv requires about 400 tanks and air defense systems from NATO. Will Western countries satisfy Ukraine's appetites?

Experts agree that Ukraine’s dreams will remain dreams. Most likely, the supplied weapons will be collected from the world one by one.

For example, Great Britain is preparing to deliver only 14 British Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. Even the local press accused the British government of the meagerness of such assistance.

The Guardian came out with a devastating article saying that Kyiv needed seven times as many tanks to advance. But the British know how to count money. Therefore, this is enough for Ukrainians.

The Bloomberg has calculated how much military equipment the West has already supplied to Kyiv: 410 Soviet-era tanks, 250 infantry fighting vehicles, 40 MLRS from Poland and the Czech Republic, 18 Soviet aircraft, 31 helicopters.

It seems that NATO wanted to get off with little bloodshed and raked out all the stash from the former socialist camp.

Russian army successfully ground them on the battlefield.

The Alliance clutched their heads, and Western equipment was already thrown into the furnace of the Ukrainian conflict:

300 155 mm howitzers,
550 obsolete American M-113 and M-115 infantry fighting vehicles,
900 armored vehicles.

Now it's up to the tanks.

And all Western countries vied with each other to offer Kyiv their samples, the Americans are even thinking of supplying the Abrams Armed Forces and the latest Bradley infantry fighting vehicles.

Does it make sense? The experts again categorically shake their heads. Training Ukrainians to use the latest Western tanks and self-propelled guns will take months, if not years. And this is absolutely impossible in the realities of the current conflict.

The same opinion is shared by analysts of the publication Military Watch. They report that the use of "Leopards" and "Challengers" will become an almost impossible task for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It remains unclear why NATO wants to transfer heavy weapons to Kyiv as soon as possible and why the leaders of the Alliance are going to solve the Ukrainian issue right now. Why such a hurry?

Stoltenberg answered these questions, or rather let it slip, calling the current phase of the Ukrainian conflict decisive. It seems that for everyone the imminent victory of Russia on the battlefield is becoming more and more obvious.
+2 # Who goes broke firstBurnit 2023-01-20 12:45
The plan seems to be one of economic attrition.
Keep Russia spending it's resources on conventional war fighting. Nobody cares about Ukraine lives. It's a war that is being waged on the economic front. Whoever goes broke last, wins. The world economy is shaky at best. Who knows what a cyber attack could do to the banking system of either side.
+1 # Sounds Like Germany is having Second thoughts.Garyhines 2023-01-20 12:40
Sounds to me Germany is having Second thoughts on coughing up Panzer Tanks to Ukraine. This only Conjecture only .but I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if they Sprayed paint the Tanks over and put something else on them .so as not to recognize it from distance. Seems like they are getting cold feet . Will have to see what card they play next.
+4 # Well, Tanks a Lot!monkeybreath 2023-01-20 12:39
I just had to…
+6 # No tanks, yet?LauraL 2023-01-20 12:32
This is public. What are they cooking up in private? They aren't going to let this end, obviously. Maybe they're working on some major false flag?
I don't know but I was kind of looking forward to watching Leopards flying through the air. (hyperbole here)

It's really funny having seen all of these headlines about all of these countries getting on board to give Ukraine all of these tanks just to be followed up hours later with 'oh, no, nevermind'. All week. I stopped reading them.
+1 # Re: No tanks, yet?Galwaypoet 2023-01-20 16:15
I think it all will come down to a false flag action done by the U.S. The Germans are not going to send Leopards into Ukraine unless they can justify it as a righteous act. And that will be something set up or contrived by Amerika. And that will happen with no warning, and we won't know it happened until we notice a bright flash.
+2 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineJohn Galt 2023-01-20 12:31
Germany blinked.

Smart move for once.
+1 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over Ukrainejcallaway67 2023-01-20 12:27
According to someone else I listen to, Germany has decided not to send tanks at this time. Germany has also forbade other countries from sending their tanks. Germany will not send these tanks unless America sends M1-Abrams too.
+1 # RE: UPDATED 11:50 AM EST -- NATO "Contact Group" (War Council) Meeting Now at Ramstein Air Base - Germany - Over UkraineGunner 2023-01-20 12:40
I am surprised the clown ass U.S. has Not sent Abrams to Kiev as of yet honestly.
+2 # so...dave0975644 2023-01-20 12:15
no WWIII today????
+6 # LolSilas8 2023-01-20 11:26
Thanks for the Intel.. Make more sense to me now why Germany is hesitant


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