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REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to Ukraine

REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to Ukraine

Reports are now coming in claiming Germany will ignore the Potsdam Agreement that ended World War 2, and allow German Leopard-2 Tanks to be transferred to Ukraine to fight Russia.

German Minister: Germany Won't Object To Poland Giving Ukraine Leopard Tanks: Russians Whine
 
Ukraine’s supporters pledged billions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine during a meeting at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on Friday, though the new commitments were overshadowed by a failure to agree on Ukraine’s urgent request for German-made Leopard 2 battle tanks.

The issue appeared to move close to a resolution late Sunday when Germany’s top diplomat said her country would not object if Poland decided to send some of its Leopards to Ukraine.

French TV channel LCI posted clips from an interview with Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock in which she said her government has not received a formal request for approval from Warsaw but added “if we were asked, we would not stand in the way.”

Earlier Sunday, the speaker of the lower house of Russia’s parliament, State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin, said that governments giving more powerful weapons to Ukraine could cause a “global tragedy that would destroy their countries.”

“Supplies of offensive weapons to the Kyiv regime would lead to a global catastrophe,” he said. “If Washington and NATO supply weapons that would be used for striking peaceful cities and making attempts to seize our territory as they threaten to do, it would trigger a retaliation with more powerful weapons.”

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# more truth .comTurnercom1 2023-01-24 13:48
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+2 # new equipment to counter artilaryTurnercom1 2023-01-23 13:24
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-1 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkrainePaul Kurzlee 2023-01-23 12:48
So will Russsia do what they said they will do? Actually bomb the krauts? Probably NOT.
When the tanks get there with nazi/nato SCUM driving them the Putin won't do jack shit like always.
But never worry. We WILL of course get more **WARNINGS** from him but other then that we can sit back and watch Russians get pounded by germen tanks. The Putin won't fight back. Should be funny when they get there. Hope Hal posts the stories so we can all get a good laugh at the Putins usual deraliction of duty as nato/nazis fire at him and his men.
MORE **WARNING** upcoming.........
Hold onto your hat.
+1 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineTexasWolf 2023-01-23 12:47
Ukraine will cease to exist soon enough. This madness will bring down the West.
+1 # current truth/!!!Turnercom1 2023-01-23 11:29
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+12 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to Ukrainejrd803 2023-01-23 02:36
I am putting in a long post here, but it was requested by another commenter back in December as I recall, and I slowly put it together. I think it is good to have a short history of this conflict.

Perhaps it is useful to cut and paste or print and send to representatives in Washington and Europe, so that they realize that Russia did not want a conflict but would have preferred to sit down and write out some binding agreements that would have given them the same protection that the US wanted when the Cuban missile crisis occurred many years ago.

Here it is for everyone's reference.

===========================
1989 Berlin Wall falls.

1990-Sep-12 The Zwei-plus-Vier-Vertrag regarding the reunification of Germany. Russia has stated since then that there were verbal agreements stating that along with the reunification of Germany that NATO would not move further than the Oder River aka the ‘not one inch further’ statements by Russia.

1990-1991 The former Soviet Union collapses.

1991 Belarus and Ukraine declare independence from the Soviet Union. Baltic states seek international recognition.

1996-1997 Russia with Vladimir Putin as president approached the USA, under Pres. William Clinton, and requested that Russia join NATO. Pres. Clinton ignored / rebuffed Russia. Nothing ever came of this.

2010’s Western countries begin giving aid to Ukrainian citizens via NGOs.

2014 USA approached Ukraine about joining NATO. And asked then Ukrainian Pres. Viktor Yanukovych if Ukraine would ally itself with the West. After discussions with his Ukrainian government, he got back to Europe and the USA and told them that Ukraine would stay allied with Russia.

2014 Upon receiving that answer the West caused those NGOs (previously mentioned) to stop handing out ‘aid’ money. So, the NGOs ceased handing out ‘aid’ money and told the people it was because their government did not want to ally with the West.

2014 The people of Ukraine then rose up against their elected government, and ejected it and caused their president, Viktor Yanukovych, to flee to Russia. The West then helped install a new government, with President Viktor Yushchenko, that was aligned with Western Europe and America.

2014 Also at this time, Crimea decided, via referendum, that they did not want to be subject to this new government in Kiev and seceded from Kiev and acceded to Russia. (Note that Crimea had been a part of Russia for at least 300 years prior to 2014.)

2014 Also around this time, the governments of Luhansk and Donetsk were deciding to break away from Kiev, and Kiev started to militarily attack Donetsk and Luhansk from the western border of these two states and this has continued since then. Over fourteen thousand military and civilian casualties occurred from 2014 to 2022.

2014-2015 The Minsk 1 and 2 Agreements were held in Minsk, Belarus to try and defuse the situation in the eastern part of Ukraine. Representatives from Russia, Luhansk, Donetsk, Ukraine (Kiev), and the OSCE signed the Minsk II Agreement. France and Germany were there to help negotiations. The agreements were signed 5 September 2015. Russia assumed these were valid agreements to be honored.

2021-Dec Russia approached Ukraine regarding Russia’s need for Legally Enforceable Security Guarantees regarding among other items Ukraine not joining NATO. This was also delivered to Washington, D.C., No. 10 Downing in the UK, Paris, and other European capitals.
The guarantees that Russia required were:
1) Recognize Luhansk and Donetsk as "Independent" within Ukraine Constitutional framework, AND;
2) Agree to not join NATO, AND;
3) Purge the government, police, and military of NAZIS.
Russia stated that if Russia cannot get this security guarantee diplomatically, they will obtain it via military and military technical means. This was rejected/ignored by the West and Ukraine.

2021-Dec Russia again approached the Western European countries, the United States, and Ukraine by direct courier delivery the same message requesting security guarantees along with the same statement regarding a military response if these guarantees cannot be guaranteed. This batch of diplomatic documents was again ignored or rebuffed.

2022-Feb-23 In the late hours of this day, Russia sent a communiqué (ultimatum) to Ukraine requesting that Ukraine agree to Russia’s prior security concerns and that Ukraine had five hours to provide a positive response or Russia would begin its military operation. Ukraine then forwarded the communiqué to the British Embassy and to the American State Department. The three had conferences by phone or video and the consensus was that Ukraine should "ignore the ultimatum" which Ukraine did. Two hours after that ultimatum expired, the Russian Army crossed Ukraine's border.

2022-Feb-24 The Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine began.
2022-Dec The emeritus chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, admitted that the Minsk Agreements were signed with no intention of honoring them.

2022-Dec Der Spiegel in Germany found documents in the UK that confirmed what Russia had been saying all along regarding the promises of no eastward expansion of NATO.

2022 Dec The emeritus President of France, François Hollande, also admitted that the Minsk agreements were just a ruse to buy time for Ukraine to further militarize itself. The Western participants and Ukraine never had any intention of honoring the agreement.

============================

For reference - the Minsk Agreements:

(1) Minsk I : Ukraine and the Russia-backed separatists agreed on a 12-point ceasefire deal in September 2014. Its provisions included prisoner exchanges, deliveries of humanitarian aid and the withdrawal of heavy weapons. However, the agreement quickly broke down, with violations by both sides.

(2) Minsk II : Representatives of Russia, Ukraine, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the leaders of separatist-held regions, Donetsk and Luhansk, signed a 13-point agreement in February 2015. The leaders of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine gathered in Minsk to mark the occasion and issued a declaration of support.

(3) The Minsk II Agreement’s 13 points were:
a. Immediate, comprehensive ceasefire.
b. Withdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides.
c. OSCE monitoring.
d. Dialogue on interim self-government for Donetsk and Luhansk, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledgement of special status by parliament.
e. Pardon, amnesty for fighters.
f. Exchange of hostages, prisoners.
g. Humanitarian assistance.
h. Resumption of socioeconomic ties, including pensions.
i. Ukraine to restore control of state border.
j. Withdrawal of foreign armed formations, military equipment, mercenaries.
k. Constitutional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.
l. Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk.
m. Intensify Trilateral Contact Group’s work including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and OSCE.

============================

My apologies for any formatting issues, but I hope this is of some use.

Kippis
# great post/TRUTHTurnercom1 2023-01-23 11:30
Quoting jrd803:
I am putting in a long post here, but it was requested by another commenter back in December as I recall, and I slowly put it together. I think it is good to have a short history of this conflict.

Perhaps it is useful to cut and paste or print and send to representatives in Washington and Europe, so that they realize that Russia did not want a conflict but would have preferred to sit down and write out some binding agreements that would have given them the same protection that the US wanted when the Cuban missile crisis occurred many years ago.

Here it is for everyone's reference.

===========================
1989 Berlin Wall falls.

1990-Sep-12 The Zwei-plus-Vier-Vertrag regarding the reunification of Germany. Russia has stated since then that there were verbal agreements stating that along with the reunification of Germany that NATO would not move further than the Oder River aka the ‘not one inch further’ statements by Russia.

1990-1991 The former Soviet Union collapses.

1991 Belarus and Ukraine declare independence from the Soviet Union. Baltic states seek international recognition.

1996-1997 Russia with Vladimir Putin as president approached the USA, under Pres. William Clinton, and requested that Russia join NATO. Pres. Clinton ignored / rebuffed Russia. Nothing ever came of this.

2010’s Western countries begin giving aid to Ukrainian citizens via NGOs.

2014 USA approached Ukraine about joining NATO. And asked then Ukrainian Pres. Viktor Yanukovych if Ukraine would ally itself with the West. After discussions with his Ukrainian government, he got back to Europe and the USA and told them that Ukraine would stay allied with Russia.

2014 Upon receiving that answer the West caused those NGOs (previously mentioned) to stop handing out ‘aid’ money. So, the NGOs ceased handing out ‘aid’ money and told the people it was because their government did not want to ally with the West.

2014 The people of Ukraine then rose up against their elected government, and ejected it and caused their president, Viktor Yanukovych, to flee to Russia. The West then helped install a new government, with President Viktor Yushchenko, that was aligned with Western Europe and America.

2014 Also at this time, Crimea decided, via referendum, that they did not want to be subject to this new government in Kiev and seceded from Kiev and acceded to Russia. (Note that Crimea had been a part of Russia for at least 300 years prior to 2014.)

2014 Also around this time, the governments of Luhansk and Donetsk were deciding to break away from Kiev, and Kiev started to militarily attack Donetsk and Luhansk from the western border of these two states and this has continued since then. Over fourteen thousand military and civilian casualties occurred from 2014 to 2022.

2014-2015 The Minsk 1 and 2 Agreements were held in Minsk, Belarus to try and defuse the situation in the eastern part of Ukraine. Representatives from Russia, Luhansk, Donetsk, Ukraine (Kiev), and the OSCE signed the Minsk II Agreement. France and Germany were there to help negotiations. The agreements were signed 5 September 2015. Russia assumed these were valid agreements to be honored.

2021-Dec Russia approached Ukraine regarding Russia’s need for Legally Enforceable Security Guarantees regarding among other items Ukraine not joining NATO. This was also delivered to Washington, D.C., No. 10 Downing in the UK, Paris, and other European capitals.
The guarantees that Russia required were:
1) Recognize Luhansk and Donetsk as "Independent" within Ukraine Constitutional framework, AND;
2) Agree to not join NATO, AND;
3) Purge the government, police, and military of NAZIS.
Russia stated that if Russia cannot get this security guarantee diplomatically, they will obtain it via military and military technical means. This was rejected/ignored by the West and Ukraine.

2021-Dec Russia again approached the Western European countries, the United States, and Ukraine by direct courier delivery the same message requesting security guarantees along with the same statement regarding a military response if these guarantees cannot be guaranteed. This batch of diplomatic documents was again ignored or rebuffed.

2022-Feb-23 In the late hours of this day, Russia sent a communiqué (ultimatum) to Ukraine requesting that Ukraine agree to Russia’s prior security concerns and that Ukraine had five hours to provide a positive response or Russia would begin its military operation. Ukraine then forwarded the communiqué to the British Embassy and to the American State Department. The three had conferences by phone or video and the consensus was that Ukraine should "ignore the ultimatum" which Ukraine did. Two hours after that ultimatum expired, the Russian Army crossed Ukraine's border.

2022-Feb-24 The Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine began.
2022-Dec The emeritus chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, admitted that the Minsk Agreements were signed with no intention of honoring them.

2022-Dec Der Spiegel in Germany found documents in the UK that confirmed what Russia had been saying all along regarding the promises of no eastward expansion of NATO.

2022 Dec The emeritus President of France, François Hollande, also admitted that the Minsk agreements were just a ruse to buy time for Ukraine to further militarize itself. The Western participants and Ukraine never had any intention of honoring the agreement.

============================

For reference - the Minsk Agreements:

(1) Minsk I : Ukraine and the Russia-backed separatists agreed on a 12-point ceasefire deal in September 2014. Its provisions included prisoner exchanges, deliveries of humanitarian aid and the withdrawal of heavy weapons. However, the agreement quickly broke down, with violations by both sides.

(2) Minsk II : Representatives of Russia, Ukraine, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the leaders of separatist-held regions, Donetsk and Luhansk, signed a 13-point agreement in February 2015. The leaders of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine gathered in Minsk to mark the occasion and issued a declaration of support.

(3) The Minsk II Agreement’s 13 points were:
a. Immediate, comprehensive ceasefire.
b. Withdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides.
c. OSCE monitoring.
d. Dialogue on interim self-government for Donetsk and Luhansk, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledgement of special status by parliament.
e. Pardon, amnesty for fighters.
f. Exchange of hostages, prisoners.
g. Humanitarian assistance.
h. Resumption of socioeconomic ties, including pensions.
i. Ukraine to restore control of state border.
j. Withdrawal of foreign armed formations, military equipment, mercenaries.
k. Constitutional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.
l. Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk.
m. Intensify Trilateral Contact Group’s work including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and OSCE.

============================

My apologies for any formatting issues, but I hope this is of some use.

Kippis
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+2 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineWoulf 2023-01-23 00:55
Multi million dollar tank vs. a 300 dollar "flying lawn mower". Hmm.
+19 # Pray for Mr. TurnerGeneral Konew 2023-01-23 00:27
Mr. Turner, I will pray for you today morning, here in Germany!
This is a very important Site and this show must go on. Please read Psalm 37!
God may be with you! Blessings to you and all! Jesus Christ is with you, SIR!!!
With kind regards
+5 # Nobody is pumping the brakesoak2022 2023-01-23 00:02
We seem headed straight for WW3 and the West is tromping on the gas. Nobody seems much interested in turning the wheel or hitting the brakes
+14 # Praying for you, Hal.shirley5520 2023-01-22 23:41
May God be with the medical team who does the procedure, and your outcome is good. Looking forward to hearing about your 'adventure' Monday night.
+9 # Operation "Barbarossa IISmiley1984*! 2023-01-22 23:38
Taken from a Global research article. See post on F16's

"Operation Barbarossa, June 1941. Nazi Invasion of the Soviet Union. Standard Oil of New Jersey was selling oil to Nazi Germany."

Notice who sold them the OIL needed for the operation!

NATO has just opened "The gates of HELL".
+5 # This is shaping up to be the end game.Lexie 2023-01-22 23:31
Either Russia blasts Germanys tin cans to pieces and its game on as usual or they go for the big red button. We just have to prepare as best we can.
+8 # AT the end of the dayNZ KIWI 2023-01-22 22:48
are tanks needed to win this war , i would of thought THE COST OF one leopard tank would buy a s ...t load of IRANIAN made drones , that could fire anti tank missiles from the comfort of a secure bunker ????????????????
+6 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineRockyMountainBeerMan 2023-01-22 22:09
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Anyone who watches Intel Slava vids on Telegram knows that tanks are passe'.

But they do make nice sparklers.
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+20 # The Russians see Nazi tanks...WilliamtheResolute 2023-01-22 22:07
I now understand that the West doesn't give a shit if they start WWIII...we are ruled by demonic morons.
+1 # Demonic MoronsBuffalolips 2023-01-23 13:36
.... by unelected demonic morons. Olympus has fallen.
# Demonic MoronsBuffalolips 2023-01-23 13:36
.... by unelected demonic morons. Olympus has fallen.
+11 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to Ukrainearcace 2023-01-22 21:52
How will Germany prevent Ukraine from painting swastikas on their tanks?
+4 # NATO is openly fracturing, now.MissinD60s 2023-01-22 21:31
This is a clear break w/dissenting block members who don't want Russia to nuke them. Whether it's a psy-op is irrelevant ("We might as well go along w/the others, now."). Nothing good will come of this.

I'm finding small comfort that my family in Germany is far to the south of Berlin...
+14 # Prayers for tomorrowunixguru24 2023-01-22 21:26
We’re praying for you Hal!
+5 # This is my opinion.jddonahey1990 2023-01-22 21:05
Russian law states they will only use Nuclear weapons if Russian state is at risk. They have not got to that point yet, however we are inching towards it. All of these "red lines" that Nato has crossed are just warnings because Russia does not want a Nuclear exchange. US knows this and is pushing the issue. But eventually Putin will not abide by the Russian law and do a first strike to completely neutralize the opponent, and it will be big. It could be a nuclear strike in the Ukraine against the same weapons and armury being supplied as a one last final warning to Nato. Or they could just say fuck it, Lets go straight to the source of the problem and take them out. GAME OVER.
+4 # Russia has already stated...MissinD60s 2023-01-22 21:32
"German tanks to Ukraine = Instant WW3."
# RE: Russia has already stated...Paul Kurzlee 2023-01-23 12:56
Quoting MissinD60s:
"German tanks to Ukraine = Instant WW3."

Just another one of the Putin's USELESS **Warnings** that we have all become accustomed to and is now just a matter for a good LOL everytime the useless moron opens his big mouth. We have heard his rhetoric for 23 years now with NOTHING ever done that he promised in his **Warnings**
This example is no different I would argue.
+2 # They have stated ALOT of redlinesjddonahey1990 2023-01-22 22:09
Not saying this isnt their last straw. It very well could be. But we have heard this SO many times.

Either way we all know this will eventually lead to Nuclear war, it is just of matter of when.
+18 # Remember Hal in your prayers tonightcoachrdbrown 2023-01-22 20:32
Hal,
Praying for you tonight and that everything goes good tomorrow.
+3 # RipAzrael76 2023-01-22 20:28
Rammstein and Lask
-4 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineCydoniak 2023-01-22 20:07
SETUP, THE FALL, SURPRISE ATTACK COMING TO GUARD RUSSIA. THE FIRST VOLLEY WILL BE CAUGHT. DON'T GET TOO HAPPY. THE SECOND ATTACK OF MISSILES WILL MAKE IT THROUGH. THIS PLACE IS NOT A QUEEN. THIS ATTACK WILL TAKE THE HOPE, THE WIND OUT OF ALL. BUT THEiR INVASION WITH MUSLIMS WILL GO AWRY. THE EVIL THAT IS THOUGHT, GOD WILL NOT APPRECIATE. AS IT WAS ENOUGH TO BEGIN WITH. THEN THAT WILL BE THE SIN OF GREED AFTERWARDS. THEY PROTECTED THEMSELVES. BUT THE ALTERIOR MOTIVE WILL ARISE, THE HOOK. THIS IS WHERE GOD SHOWS HIS GLORY. EZEKIEL 39. OH BOY! GOD'S WORD IS TRUE. PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRIBES LEFT AT THE ROMAN SIEGE OF JERUSALEM AD.70. THEY ALL MOVED NORTHWARD AND EASTWARD. then to this U.S. land, over hundreds of years each tribe settled into Europe, then the United States, the largest but mixer of the Tribes (mixing now,the border). Jesus came but for the House of Israel. there are two main chief tribes, the other is Judah. Jesus came but only for the House of Israel, the 2nd Chief Tribe. That is Ephraim and Manasseh, the United States and England, the younger will be more blessed and larger while the older England will be the smaller but older.
All the answers are in the Old Testament. The tribes are there. Who will study, who will learn how it fits in today?
Israel is a people, not a Land by Biblical meaning. Although the Lord will return to that land Reason being is that this war is the fire that brings the final culmination of the last war the globalist will fight with their father, the devil by space weaponry. The throw down is soon to come!!!
# British Israel Was Debunked Decades AgoDolph 2023-01-22 22:39
The Superpowers will neutralize themselves in WW III setting the stage for the rise of ten nations that will form a confederacy some call the Revised Rome during the next three years within the borders of the old Roman Empire.

At mid-trib the Islamic Antichrist, the Assyrian, King of the North, the progeny of Antiochus Epiphanes, will take over this Revised Rome (read Daniel) but "tidings out of the East (China) and North (Russia) will trouble him and he shall therefore go forth with much fury to destroy them", Dan.11:44, and then return for the Battle of Armageddon, Rev.19.

It's the Muslims who have a burning hatred for the Jews, not Europe. It's the old sibling rivalry of Isaac and Ishmael, bookends to the greatest story ever told.
# Satan "Believes" And TremblesDolph 2023-01-22 23:03
Satan believes everything Hal spoke about Jesus on the Thursday night's show and trembles, but that doesn't make one a Christian. Here's what wasn't said about salvation:

1. You must confess and repent of all your past sins to your High Priest Jesus Christ, turn from them, change directions, make Jesus LORD of your life and be led by the Spirit of God. "As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God", Romans 8:14.

2. Ask the Holy Spirit to come into your heart and give you the power to follow Jesus and be led by the Holy Spirit.

When you sincerely do that you become born again, you become a new (spirit) creature, "old things pass away, behold, all things become new". (You are a spirit, you have a soul and you live in a body)

3. Tell Jesus, "I make you my Lord and Savior of my life. Help me to stop my sinful habits." Note: You are saved by grace but faith without works is dead. When you make Jesus Lord (Boss) of your life you must make a sincere effort to follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit, His directions. Keep in mine, "As many as are led by the spirit of God, they are the Sons of God". This does not mean you suddenly act just like Jesus but this puts you on a path to clean up your life.

For example, you may decide to stop using bad language, to stop calling people names, to forgive certain people who have hurt you or done you wrong in the past, to stop raising your voice when discussing things with family members or stop watching porn. You have a free will and ending bad character traits is a process that takes time. God looks at your heart and knows if you are sincere and want to be a better person, ie., stop sinning. If you are sincere, people will notice as will God.


There are much simpler explanations of salvation out there but we are talking about your eternity and there is no sinning in Heaven. Easy believism won't get you into Heaven or keep you out of Hell. God is very serious about sin. It's the reason the world has failed and is about to be judged. Put yourself in God's shoes and ask yourself, isn't God being reasonable? Sin must stop and it begins with each individual. God bless.
# Your error in judgmentSBGlett77 2023-01-23 09:18
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Dolph, I upvoted you because of your good explanation of the change of heart that being born again brings, contrasted against our own imperfection and a lifelong battle with our besetting sins.

HOWEVER, I agree with PastorK that your use of a human example, any human example, in making a point about easy believism was very clumsy. Neither you nor I can know any particular individual's heart. The point scripture makes about the fallen ones believing and trembling stands on its own. It applies to you and me just as much as to Hal or any other professing Christian. We are to use that verse to examine OURSELVES, and preach it so others will examine themselves !

I too thought Hal's testimony was sincere and heartfelt. There was love, joy, peace, and other fruits discernable in it. And that is all you, I, or anyone else can know about his heart. Only God knows his heart.

Other than your not thinking through your irresponsible first sentence, you made excellent points. But the first sentence was an unwarranted negative fruit on your part.
# SBGLETT77Dolph 2023-01-25 15:34
Your advice acknowledged. I changed my first sentence accordingly and made the post less personal. I have the highest respect Mr. Hal Turner.
-1 # You Can Be Sincerily WrongDolph 2023-01-23 15:15
My brother and my mother were in Christian Science their whole lives. They sincerely believed the lies of Satan and never made Jesus the Lord of their lives. They walked in love but didn't know God.

Most people believe they are good persons but have no idea there are over a thousand commandments in the N.T., don't love God with all their hearts, souls, strength and mind. They love the world but ignore God 24 x 7 until Sunday morning. They have no idea what a Christian world view is. Seventy percent of the pastors watch pornography. Come on man! Why do you think God is about to judge the world?

There are 60 million abortions in the world each day. Hal's explanation of salvation is exactly how most think and is a worldly explanation for not being led by the Holy Spirit, the definition of being a Christian. It's a spin on the truth, a satanic spin on the gospel message.

The Bible says the whole world is deceived. It's one thing to understand what is happening in Ukraine and quite another thing to understand what is unseen, to be led by the Holy Spirit who "explains all things and shows us things to come".

A true Christian doesn't get all upset about developments in Ukraine. I've been expecting this for 44 years, since I was born again. 20-30% of the Bible is prophecy. I am thrilled that Jesus will be restoring justice to this planet and that the insane spending on armaments, corruption and the rule of Satan will soon end. PTL!!
# RE: You Can Be Sincerily WrongPastorK 2023-01-23 15:47
Quoting Dolph:
My brother and my mother were in Christian Science their whole lives. They sincerely believed the lies of Satan and never made Jesus the Lord of their lives. They walked in love but didn't know God.

Most people believe they are good persons but have no idea there are over a thousand commandments in the N.T., don't love God with all their hearts, souls, strength and mind. They love the world but ignore God 24 x 7 until Sunday morning. They have no idea what a Christian world view is. Seventy percent of the pastors watch pornography. Come on man! Why do you think God is about to judge the world?

There are 60 million abortions in the world each day. Hal's explanation of salvation is exactly how most think and is a worldly explanation for not being led by the Holy Spirit, the definition of being a Christian. It's a spin on the truth, a satanic spin on the gospel message.

The Bible says the whole world is deceived. It's one thing to understand what is happening in Ukraine and quite another thing to understand what is unseen, to be led by the Holy Spirit who "explains all things and shows us things to come".

A true Christian doesn't get all upset about developments in Ukraine. I've been expecting this for 44 years, since I was born again. 20-30% of the Bible is prophecy. I am thrilled that Jesus will be restoring justice to this planet and that the insane spending on armaments, corruption and the rule of Satan will soon end. PTL!!

Salvation is so less complicated than you make it. Paul wrote 'If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead you will be saved.'
+3 # RE: Satan "Believes" And TremblesPastorK 2023-01-22 23:40
Quoting Dolph:
Satan believes everything Hal spoke about Jesus on the Thursday night's show and trembles, but that doesn't make him a Christian. Here's what wasn't said about salvation:

1. You must confess and repent of all your past sins to your High Priest Jesus Christ, turn from them, change directions, make Jesus LORD of your life and be led by the Spirit of God. "As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God", Romans 8:14.

2. Ask the Holy Spirit to come into your heart and give you the power to follow Jesus and be led by the Holy Spirit.

When you sincerely do that you become born again, you become a new (spirit) creature, "old things pass away, behold, all things become new". (You are a spirit, you have a soul and you live in a body)

3. Tell Jesus, "I make you my Lord and Savior of my life. Help me to stop my sinful habits." Note: You are saved by grace but faith without works is dead. When you make Jesus Lord (Boss) of your life you must make a sincere effort to follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit, His directions. Keep in mine, "As many as are led by the spirit of God, they are the Sons of God". This does not mean you suddenly act just like Jesus but this puts you on a path to clean up your life.

For example, you may decide to stop using bad language, to stop calling people names, to forgive certain people who have hurt you or done you wrong in the past, to stop raising your voice when discussing things with family members or stop watching porn. You have a free will and ending bad character traits is a process that takes time. God looks at your heart and knows if you are sincere and want to be a better person, ie., stop sinning. If you are sincere, people will notice as will God.


There are much simpler explanations of salvation out there but we are talking about your eternity and there is no sinning in Heaven. Easy believism won't get you into Heaven or keep you out of Hell. God is very serious about sin. It's the reason the world has failed and is about to be judged. Put yourself in God's shoes and ask yourself, isn't God being reasonable? Sin must stop and it begins with each individual. God bless.

Dolph, please take what you should have been said by Hal Friday night and toss it in the nearest trashcan! Hal's words were one of the most heartfelt professions of faith by a believer in Jesus that I have ever heard. Nothing more needed to be said by him.
-1 # Lukewarm SpinDolph 2023-01-23 15:41
Hal put a lukewarm spin on what it means to be a Christian. Jesus said to the Laodicean Church, You are neither hot nor cold but because you are lukewarm I will vomit you out of my mouth. Many are called but few are chosen.

How many people know you are a serious Christian? There in lies the test.
+2 # Thermal nuclear warMANYROUNDS 2023-01-22 20:04
Cut to the chase. Russia has a pebble in her boot, and soon shall remove it. A people under a delusion are apt to step in front of a moving train they don't see, or hear roaring at them, such are these people. Pray and prepare like your life depends on it. The reality we see, that they do not, requires it. Prayers to you Hal, and you all.
# Many Rounds BehindDolph 2023-01-22 23:22
You still have it backwards. It's the American elites who have a stone in their boot. They are demon possessed and are obeying Satan's plan to destroy the world. Putin has been acting in a reasonable manner. America has broken all the agreements with Russia over the past thirty years. Have you never heard of the New World Order that Satan is setting up??? Have you ever heard of the Antichrist? And a new world religion? The Harlot, the whore of Revelation? America is Babylon of Revelation C.18!!!!!! Hal is 200% right regarding Ukraine. Listen to him or join another site.
# Sorry Mr. DolphMANYROUNDS 2023-01-26 01:28
I stomped on you a little, and I apologize I was wrong.
+1 # The PebbleMANYROUNDS 2023-01-23 00:10
Calm it, the pebble is America, get it? Where is your peace? Take some time and go look for it, the prayer closet is a good place to start.
+4 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineSeymourInSedona 2023-01-22 19:54
there is no trigger though ....
ive seen russians laughing about the leopards coming into the space ........they are ready ...
+1 # YepSBGlett77 2023-01-23 07:23
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Just preventing them from arriving in one piece will be half the fun for the Russians. They are already well into the process of destroying the rails and railheads and the larger airfields where giant transports can land. Is Poland going to drive them in ?? It's pretty hard to camo a Panzer which is charging across the landscape. Russia has satellites, too, and also controls the skies insofar as observational aircraft go.

Oh, and heavy-haul truck trailers ? Pretty hard to disguise the size of those, too, even if there are some arterial roads still open.
+10 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineJesusSavesU2022 2023-01-22 19:52
I think we all should all get ready for the inevitable.
+11 # German tanksDeepwoo 2023-01-22 19:42
This little two step shuffle is just for our amusement and distraction, the stated goal of the perverted west is for Russia to be fractured into manageable enclaves, Russia says no way and has the nuclear doctrine in place to deal with such.
+7 # Nato must believe Russia is bluffing...easybirdie 2023-01-22 19:36
Wow! Powerful decisions being made at this big Nato meeting! Nato must believe that Russia is bluffing about a global tragedy that would destroy Nato countries! Thing is who is going to fly those planes and drive those tanks they are supplying to Ukraine? It takes on average of 6 months or more of training to operate these tanks and planes! My guess is that Nato troops are going to be operating these weapons! Our own sons and daughters are most likely going to be going to Ukraine to do the west's bidding of trying to destroy Russia! They must think that our own son's and daughter's perishing in Ukraine will be enuf to get the people of Nato on the Western leaders agenda! The way this is going it will end up with millions of innocent people on both sides of the ocean dying for the west's agenda of having a 'woke' one world government that supports all of these satanic policies of the west! The only way out of this i see is if Jesus himself comes back! I hope so. I pray so! The leaders we have in the west are truly debased and delusional. Something in the Bible about the Lord God sending a Great Delusion that most would believe! If I was a betting man. And I was at one time. I think that sometime this year something really really bad is going to happen. Thanks. Take care out there everyone!
+26 # RE: REPORTS: Germany to ALLOW Leopard-2 Tanks to UkraineRobert A 2023-01-22 19:29
Anyone have deluded illusions that Ukrainian Natzi fucks will be operating the Leo 2s or F-16s. These will be NATO crews and pilots full stop.

 

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