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RUSSIA FURIOUS OVER SINKING OF MISSILE CRUISER "MOSKVA" - TALKING "WW3"
The Russian people are enraged beyond words over the sinking of their Black Sea flagship, the Guided Missile Cruiser "Moskva" and they are already publicly saying on TV that they are in World War 3 with the United States.
Barrages of Russian missiles were launched late last night against at least 8 different "fronts" inside Ukraine, hitting targets in Kiev, Kharkov, Nikolaev, and elsewhere, causing thunderous explosions.
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but they dont build that way..Its a piss poor design w slap-dash added components that didnt help it a bit when it came to the nut cuttin..Their excuse is a drone distracted them and let the missiles in..Aegis, as designed, could track over 200 targets..its been upgraded since then…
They just dont have the tech to allow a vessel like that to survive a missile environment-nor do we now that the Hypers have arrived…Even if Aegis can track them, nothing we have can intercept them…Navy's within 500 miles of a shoreline are relics that will sleep w the fishes…like Moskva
Kinda seems like an invite to me..Great teason to get The People all riled up…From what I see, its working too
Look at the armament - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva
Moskva had become a 'prestige ship'.....the largest hull they could afford to maintain afloat.
It was designed (during the cold war) for one mission.....to shadow US aircraft carriers and sink them at point blank range. It was designed for that alone.
She had 10 SS-N-12 Sandbox launchers, 10 (!!!!!!) 533mm torpedo tubes, and 1 twin 5" gun. Her job (during the cold war.....which she did) was to sit 10mi behind a US aircraft carrier......and sink it without warning when ordered, using a combination of guns, missiles, and torpedoes. And it may well have succeeded at that, given the ranges and our realistic response times.
But this ship brought NOTHING to the fight in Ukraine. It had no land attack missiles. And the Ukrainians have NO ships for it to shoot at!
The only thing it could contribute to the war......was 1 twin 5" gun....on a 12k ton hull.....with a crew of over 500 men.
Yet people still say 'Ukraine can't win!'.
Define 'win'!
This war was Russia's to lose. And they are doing the BEST job they can to do that!
Look at the math.....Russia is being bled out, and often through incompetence as in the loss of the Moskva.
NATO is methodically eviscerating their armed forces with asymetric warfare.
They trot up tanks....which they can't don't/can't build anymore....and Ukraine is blowing them up with in-production guided missiles (given to them for 'free') that cost 1/10 the cost of the tank
Russia trots out ships.....which they can't /don't build anymore.....and Ukraine is blowing them up with in-production guided missiles (SOON to be given to them for 'free') that cost 1/10 the cost of the ship.
And people still say 'Ukraine can't win!'.
FUCK....they already HAVE won.
Russia at this point CANNOT achieve its stated goals militarily.
Ukraine, in contrast, had limited goals (survival as a sovereign/independent state).
Russia, through it's own arrogance/incompetence HAS been bled out and turned back. This was their war to lose.........AND they pulled it off.
This war WILL now end with a 'negotiated settlement'.
Ukraine WILL cede land to Russia.
Ukraine WILL join NATO.
Russia HAD their a real shot at taking Kiev and installing the government of their choice (Plan A).....AND.....turned it into a goat fuck.
Has the US fucked the goat worse? Debateably.... Look at the Afghanistan withdrawal.
For all of our (American failings), I thank God every day I do NOT live in either Russia or Ukraine.
I cannot think of two more God-forsaken and bureaucratically corrupt shit-holes in which I could have been cursed to live.
I have no love for EITHER of these countries.
THERE IS NO GOOD-GUY in the Ukraine/Russia conflct.
They deserve each other.
Let them fight it out.
This is textbook case of why Washington warned us against entangling alliances. Both of these countries are as dirty as they come.
Each has conflicting (and understandable) national interests. Great.....THEY can sack up to who see wins.
This is NONE of our business. Let them kill each other until they're tired of the killing. If they ever want to make peace.....THEN we offer to mediate.
https://sofrep.com/amp/news/deep-six-kremlin-confirms-captain-of-the-moskva-killed-450-crewmembers-may-be-dead/?fr=operanews
"An official Kremlin statement has revealed the latest loss of commanding officers in the Russian military. This time aboard the Guided Missile Cruiser Moskva, not confirmed sunk by one or more Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles: “The commander of the cruiser ‘Moskva’, captain 1st rank – Kuprin Anton Valerievich – died during an explosion and fire on board.” In the Russian navy, Captain 1st rank would be the equivalent of a US navy Captain or Colonel in the other armed forces. This would make him the 34th officer of Colonel or Lieutenant Colonel rank in the Russian armed forces to die in action since the Ukraine War began.
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More than just her crew may have been lost. As the Moskva was the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet it is likely that a considerable number of the command staff of the fleet were aboard the ship at the time it was struck by the Neptune missiles. We may be hearing about more casualties among high-ranking Russian naval officers in the coming days.
It is well known that Russian ships are Brass-Heavy with as much as 20% of the crew being officers. On a flagship like the Moskva, it would not be unusual for several officers of captain rank to be aboard as liaison staff for admirals ashore in Sevastopol. Eager for combat assignments and the medals that tend to go with them, there is a good chance that the crew of the Moskva had even more officers aboard of high rank wanting sea time, combat pay, and to earn a place in the line for medals and awards from the Kremlin.
There are unconfirmed rumors that the Admiral of the Black Sea Fleet, Igor Osipov has been fired or even arrested and taken to Moscow. So he was probably not aboard, but wishing very much that he was I suspect."
No this is not a Lakota prophecy. He’s calling his so called “visions” a prophecy. So weird that he isn’t embarrassed to lie.
Sad that so many don’t know the difference so have nothing else to gauge the authenticity of folks like this.
Sending you prayers for continued courage and protection.
Several stories now reporting about Russia's response to the sinking of their flagship. They are giving the basics only. Apparently Zelensky is coming to DC next week!
and i cant stomach it, but watch MSM and see what the uptick will be in response to get the sheep & 'tards all riled up--- 'HOW DARE THEY! WE, ARE EXCEPTIONAL! DON'T YA KNOW!"
[ ] There were many victims on board. There was a monstrous explosion of ammunition and airborne missiles.
I think there may be several hundred dead, if not almost the entire crew.
[ ] Turkish commercial ships in the area responded to render aid and they report saving 54 sailors from the stricken ship.
Hal don't get me wrong, I'm not hacking on you my friend. I understand your only posting the information you get from your different sources. Like Prepper7 says, some weird news going around.
We sank her.
Biden's loathsomeness did it.
We did it, but we couch it in innuendo, we
pretend the "FOG OF WAR" carrys the
responsibility.
We say:
No one is to blame.
No one is responsible.
We did not know:
That ship was representative to the Russian
people of more than we can ever imagine.
How big a miscalculation!
How big an error.
Someone at Langley. Maybe Biden.
Someone ordered it.
Maybe Nuland.
But:
The fog of war idiom cannot conceil
What is coming next.
.
Nuland? You are making progress here, still I consider you the official unmasked Russia/IDF troll on this forum in addition to being Joseph Rudyard Kipling wannabe!
However, to date he has failed to write your own Yes, we have a real Joseph Rudyard Kipling wannabe on this forum. However, to date he has failed to write his "Into the Valley of Death rode five hundred" equivalent! It was actually six hundred in Crimea in 1864 during the charge of the Light Brigade, but it was 500 on the old Soviet cruiser Maskva' who believed in and followed Putin!
1854, Battle of Balaclava and Kipling didnt write it-Alfred, Lord Tennyson did…that same day there was also The Charge of the Heavy Brigade and The Thin Red Line..both astoundingly successful actions…
Them was shows ya waited all week to listen to
That talk of murder due to another's skin color, is not acceptable.
I hope you change your views.
Just throwing it out there..
Hell could have been at Rense.com i cant remember shit anymore.
Sure some weird news going around .....even from Russia.
If the queen of the ant pile is left behind, nothing changes!
As do the insults and more weapon deliveries powered by that same gas. Those planes and trains dont run on air. They run on RUSSIA GAS. Thanks Vladmir. The attacks will continue.
Going back to today's ceremony in Roman Coliseum todat, both women, Ukrainian nurse Irina and Russian nursing student Albina, who are friends, are to silently shake hands while holding a cross. Andriy Yurash, Ukraine's ambassador to the Holy See, tweeted that "there have been concerns in Ukraine and other communities" and said he was "working to try to explain the difficulties and possible consequences."
Greek Catholic Archbishop of Kiev Sviatoslav Shevchuk called the idea "inappropriate and ambiguous, which does not take into account the context of Russian military aggression against Ukraine." On Tuesday, the archbishop said the gesture was "inconsistent and even offensive, especially at a time when we are waiting for a second, bloodier attack by Russian troops on our cities and villages."
We have not heard anything from the Catholic Archbishop of Moscow Paolo Pezzi yet. Yes, he is Italian. Russian did not like the Russian Archbishop Kondrusiewicz in this position and replaced him with an Italian a few years back.
I would assume that both Putin and Zelensky will not like today's novel ceremony in Vatican, but their opinions would be predictable and irrelevant, like the opinions of Unconverted Catholics (ie heretics and Juifs) on this forum!
Is the putin being replaced? Maybe then that MIGHT happen.
There are only a handful of people in positions of authority that are making decisions that will affect millions of us - sad.
The Putin knows this and also knows where they are. He REFUSES to bomb them. Despite the fact he promised the planet he WOULD hit the leadership. Now he refuses. So on it goes. And on. And on. Until the Putin does what he promised nothing will change. It will just get worse.
Ironic nazi fucker! Go eat shit dumb ass
-3 # The portable nigger lyncher — BigDee223 2022-04-15 11:40
Hal was the voice of the common man and advertised the portable nigger lyncher
Them was shows ya waited all week to listen to
Unlike all the Unconverted Catholics and despised Zionists wannabe running this forum, I share your opinion and would add further, that you should pay no attention to the men behind the curtain, the blowhards like Mossad troll Doug Brown who think they own this forum!
You are right, the "Russian TV" that you mention is a state-run enterprise and is nothing more than a propaganda organ of Putin and his KGB buddies as well as Billionaire oligarch thugs with triple citizenships, Russian, Ukrainian and... Israeli!
I understand the reasons why Russia invaded Ukraine. It was a Cuban Missile Crisis moment for them. (And of course there are other reasons, like the biolabs).
I still stand by my statement. Russia attacked Ukraine and somehow expected Ukraine not to strike back? For the Ukrainian military, ANY Russian target including those within Russia are completely fair game. The two countries are at war!
In your statement is astonishing.
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The way to kill a snake is to strike the head so it cannot bite back. That means all the military forces of NATO must be incapacitated in a single stroke. Putin knew this would eventually happen and has prepared for this moment for 20 years. Russia now has superior nuclear and electronic power and can shelter a large part of its population while NATO is making it clearer every day that they will destroy Russia if it does not attack.
Our government has also been working hard to piss off China to keep them allied with Russia. If they can do what they have practiced many times and attack together they can probably neutralize at least 90% of the West’s armed forces in the first day. The next step will be a demand for surrender or the population centers will also be destroyed.
The Biden regime and Europe will cheerfully escape the consequences of their economic blunders and criminal activities by surrendering. All will know how they graciously put their own interests aside for the sole purpose of saving the lives of their people.
And the world order George Orwell predicted in his novel 1984 will be a reality.
You know, Albert Einstein said something to that effect...
“Not sure how WW3 will be fought but 4 will be fought with sticks and stones”
Well, I can guarantee you that we're making Javellin missiles (currently in production) faster than Russia is making either T-72s/T-80s (long out of production) .... or conscript kids to crew those tanks. And the first 100 TEST Armata tanks are still not delivered - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata
Attrition here DOES NOT favor Russia.
Some people will like that. Some people won't.
But ignoring that reality does not change it.
It seems like everyone is forgotten that the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal reside in RUSSIA let's not be so naive, if they decide to shoot it will be thousands of missile in the at one time as described in Revelation.
The US Intel people know what happened and they are being coy about it? Possibly to not incite more anger from Russia and to defuse the situation??
How many other Russian Black Sea ships were in the area and did not return fire is strange?
Excellent point , which is totally ignored by the Unconverted Catholic Russophile blowhards running this forum from behind a curtain. Russian suppressed the info that there were any deaths of sailors, which fitted with the scenario they promoted of a small fire with a large structural damage At least 300 sailor had died, I hear.
Keep on mid that Russians have always been very secretive. As Winston Churchill famously said in 1939: Russia is "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma,". Only one person in the world, our own forumnaut, Doug Brown claims to understand Russia perfectly (check above)
Should be: Keep in mind that
Take a look at the order of battle for the Russian Black Sea fleet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet#Order_of_battle
Moskva (Slava class) was the most capable air defense ship.
As to why it was not sunk sooner ... perhaps the indigenous Ukrainian anti-ship missiles don't deal well with ground clutter near shore, requiring a target on open water. In this case.....the Moskva was allegedly about 60nm from shore, which was well over both the visual and radar horizon from the shore battery. The ship's location was allegedly provided by a drone.
The Ukrainians may have been waiting for this shot for a while, and finally got it : a major combattant, on open water, and perhaps cruising at relatively low speed and alone (to minimize the chance of the missile being mis-directed to another ship).
How do you hide the deaths of hundreds of sailors?
You can't.
You can only refuse to acknowledge it, in the same way Russian state media is refusing to acknowledge the ship was hit by missiles.
Meanwhile, Russia was busy last night bombing the factory that didn't make the missiles that sank the ship? Purely coincidental for that to occur, two months after the start of the invasion......
Wikipedia is a Commie organ lie old Soviet Pravda.
Maskva' was actually an ancient Soviet ship. They have laid down the hull in 1976 as the old Soviet Union was beginning to fall apart, for heaven sake, and did not finish building it until 1983!!!. Its air defenses were reported in the Western press (contrary to the mistaken Wiki piece of garbage) to be outdated even "by the Russian standards"!
By having HIS OWN TV blow hard about the "Russian outrage" over the sinking of Maskva', Putin is trying to cover his own fault in the affair by allowing this piece of ancient Soviet junk float into a war!
Here in the U.S. the Civil War was the bloodiest event in our history. What’s coming will make that look like a neighborhood shooting.
Pray
You are correct but I was thinking of Ok City
The Moskva was probably the best armored ship afloat-from any navy-up until it met a ship-killer..those friggin admirals didnt learn a thing from The Falklands…or the USS Stark…
Nothing we have to use for ‘Force Projection’ can survive operations in a missile environment so what good are carriers and cruisers?…,
May as well bring the Tico’s home…they sure as shit cant take a hit
in exactly the same way that big battleships with 12 and 16 inch guns were already floating coffins at the outbreak of WWII!
The pot is about to boil over... an unhappy Easter weekend? We're going to find out.
Recently Russia celebrated it's 325th Naval
Anniversary with a glorious Parade,
featuring 54 ships.i watched it all.
As the massive ships paraded by Putin, he saluted,
the band played patroitic music,
the sailors stood at attention
on the deck of their ship and saluted Putin.
It was a very lengthy parade. A very beautiful
parade. There were thousands of families on shore cheering. Everyone was very well dressed, we
used to say, in church meeting clothes.
To sink a battleship?
In Russia they love their Navy, they are extremely
proud of their Navy.
Russia is what America was like in the 50's,
Real darn patriotic.
I think the CIA, NSA, NATO, UK, USA committed an
enormously a blunder of epic proportion in
Sinking a prize Russian Warship.
We used to prize out Space Shuttle. What if
Russia blew up one of our Space Shuttles?
That's how the Russians feel right now, in spades.
you IDF troll. If you love Russia that much, hand up its map on the wall, embrace and kiss it, and then volunteer for Russian Navy. They can always use a good cook to peel potatoes and cook them up some borshch!
Judgmental, and a name caller.
A terrible hateful example of manhood.
Go away.
You are not a good person.
Again
PLEAE LEAVE THIS SITE.
YOUR DIRT AND SARCASM AND
NASTINESS Spoil it for everyone.
Grow up. You wit is tiredom.
Yes, we have a real Joseph Rudyard Kipling wannabe on this forum. However, to date he has failed to write his "Into the Valley of Death rode five hundred" equivalents!
Now here is the woo woo part. Supposedly an ancient artifact was found or invented back in the 20th century that shows several out comes to future events. Supposedly the more people who know about it the less of a chance of it happening so tell everyone.
Sounds like a chain letter psy op to me . Considering current events it would not hurt to pray and pray hard.
I don't put anything past this government.
Happy Easter and Peace.
It's "The Bear" and they will devour MUCH flesh - Dan 7.
Get ready and be prepared. China - the Leopard will join in and crush NATO, the US and the UK.
Watch!!
To anyone shitting themselves over swearing or what it's going to be like afterwards.... Maybe book a few weeks vacation in DC or NYC because you won't make it anyway
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=111323
But what took Putin 8 very long years to finally spring into action?
Excrement occurs.
Just shit in their nest
My dad used to say, “Not saying you are chicken sh*t, but you do have hen house ways.”
Oops ! Now we've roused the whole country to get behind Putin, probably even the pansy Atlanticists over there.
DELTA, SAS, Mercenaries via NATO,
Ukrainian Special Forces, even CIA
Special opts.,
Doesn't matter who. Does it matter?
Embedded in Ukraine are a stew-mix of
highly trained operatives from many different
countries. Does it matter?
Not to the Russians that had a warship sunk.
They see blood.
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