Russia Gives US/NATO 48 Hours to Respond to Treaty Initiative
The West faces the moment of truth, which has started the countdown in wait for the adoption of Russian proposals on security guarantees addressed to the United States and NATO, Konstantin Gavrilov, the head of the Russian delegation at the Vienna Negotiations on Military Security and Arms Control, said on Wednesday.
and reap the whirlwind.
If Russia was feeding the elderly to dogs,
If Russia was having Satanic services in Red Square,
If Russia was dropping comedians out of planes,
If Russia was forbidding freedom of the Press,
If Russians were torturing all bakers,
If clothing restrictions existed.
IF ALL THESE THINGS WERE HAPPENING
Russia still wouldn't be as evil as Blinken, Nuland and Biden suggest.
Russia is NOT our ENEMY by GOD.
-Declaration of "Russian-supported" forces in Donbass as terrorists and recognition of Russia as a sponsor of terrorism;
-Ban on operations with Russian public debt;
- measures against Nord Stream 2, including related organizations and their shareholders;
-Termination of financing of the cybersecurity dialogue until the attacks on American departments are over;
-Termination of financing of the dialogue on strategic stability while Crimea becomes Russian;
- sanctions against Russian President Vladimir Putin, all members of the government, as well as Russian officials and security forces, including the press secretary of Russian leader Dmitry Peskov, Mayor of Moscow Sereg Sobyanin, First Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration Sergei Kiriyenko, Head of the CEC Ella Pamfilova, Head of the Presidential Administration Anton Vaino, Head of
- sanctions against Russian businessmen: Roman Abramovich, Alisher Usmanov, Oleg Deripaska, Igor Sechin, Alexei Miller, Andrey Kostin, Gennady Timchenko, the project further mentions VEB and related persons, as well as Dmitry Rybolovlev, Mikhail Fridman, Peter Aven, Mikhail Gutseriev and Alexander Vinokurov;
-Sanctions against journalists: Editor-in-Chief of MIA "Russia Today" and RT Margarita Simonyan, TV and radio presenter Vladimir Solovyov and General Director of Channel One Konstantin Ernst.
Plain theft of $100-120 billion
Plain theft of $2 billion
Sanctions against Russian gas - to force the world to buy USA LPG.
Declaring a fake pandemic to sell trillions of dollars of pre made vaccines with USA patents, USA manufacturers, USA shareholders.
For the last 12 months, please list the terrorist op's conducted by Iran.
On January 10, RusVesna published a video showing a large convoy of U.S. takers with Syrian oil heading towards Iraq.
SF: The footage taken by a military aircraft proved that a kilometers-long US convoy accompanied by four military vehicles was moving along the M4 highway towards the illegal border crossing of Al-Walid with Iraq.
According to the SANA news agency, U.S. and Kurdish forces have recently launched an oil refinery at the Rmeylan fields in the northeastern part of Syria’s Hassakah province, from where they are stealing oil and are transporting it to Iraq.
According to local sources, the US Delta Crescent company that is working on the ground in north-eastern Syria to process the oil bought loyalty of Arab sheikhs from the Tai tribe, who are now involved in the theft of oil.
A number of opportunities will develop over the coming day or so for Maria to take Blinken to the cleaners.
Popcorn time... no?
The military will not allow politicians, the people to limit their actions.
Vladimir Putin is addressing them by repositioning his armies to allow a military first strike against NATO.... somewhere in Europe.
He got ju-ju eyeball, he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker, he just do what he please
Moreover, Russia can likely mobilize 10 million troops quickly, and China, whose president has stated publicly that China has more than a treaty agreement with Russia, can mobilize 50 million soldiers. NATO, for all the bluster of its idiot Secretary General, has zero prospect of withstanding Russia in non-nuclear war.
This means, and the Kremlin knows this, that to save face Washington would have to go nuclear. This would mean the total destruction of the US and Europe. They would cease to exist.
Many times they reveal info, at press conferences, that should be private. It really appears that the USA and NATO are trying to start WW3.
Do you think it is possible that the are receiving marching orders from a higher source? If so, to what end?
Given today's world population is near 8 billion; they (the higher source you query) have only to annihilate some 7.5 billion of us go accomplish their evil goal.
In June 1979, a man using the self-professed pseudonym Robert C. Christian approached the Elberton Granite Finishing company on behalf of “a small group of loyal Americans” and commissioned the structure. Mr. “Christian” explained that the stones would function as a compass, calendar, and clock and should be capable of withstanding catastrophic events."
A message consisting of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely, improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth, beauty, love, seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth, Leave room for nature, Leave room for nature.
The following is a sample prayer much like I used to "get right with God."
Pray this prayer loud enough so that you can hear it with your own ears.
This is important.
Oh God in heaven I call on You
In the mighty name of Jesus
Receive me .....
as I accept Jesus as my Lord.....
I believe with all my heart, that Jesus died in my place
For all the wrong things I have ever done.
I believe you raised Jesus from the dead.
And I confess Him right now,
as my Lord and my Savior.
Please give me the assurance in my heart...
that I am saved.
Now, Father God fill me with your Holy Spirit
Empower me to be the person you want me to be.
Father, in the name of Jesus
I apply the precious blood of Jesus over my spirit, soul and body.
In Jesus name, amen.
If you just prayed that prayer here is a good first Bible verse to encourage you:
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Pres Putin tells Minister Sergei, (in Russian) "Hey! I had to meet with the idiot Biden, it's your turn..." "Try not to make faces or crack up, just make that poker face you are so good at... and look like you are taking his dur' nesusvetnaya seriously...."
U.S. Secretary of State says he will ***NOT*** be giving any written responses to Russia's proposals when he meets with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on Friday."
Almost sounds like we gave Russia our answer.
Finish up your preps, gas up your vehicles, then get on your knees and pray as hard as you ever had. We're as close to war here as I've seen since the Bay of Pigs. And we had JFK looking out for us. Biden is not JFK.
Prepare Brace for impact.......
[paraphrased scripture " "]
"The Sons of God (angels) saw that the women of earth were fair to look upon and took many to be their wives and had children by them who were the giants of that day; men of renown with great strength and stature. They were called Nephilim; and were on the earth before the flood and after the flood."
"And Jesus said some of the signs of His return would be that it would be as it was in
1. the days of Noah
2. as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah at the time of their destruction."
Both conditions are present on the earth now.
1. The 'aliens' that run the world are the hybridized: fallen angels/humans.
2. The community of folk who have alphabetized their 'group name' are the other.
Expect anything after Friday.
That's the great thing about Russia's current position. Nobody knows what they will do next. It's a wonderful place to be...but it only lasts for a short time. And then the cat's out of the bag.
I too wish the putin would do something. I say that lots here and people down vote me and one asshole today had the gal to actually insult me and do a personal attack. It is in the thread here. I am happy to see I am not the only one here that wishes Putin would get this started up. We are entitled to that opinion and these others that don't agree should offer up a better idea here. So far none of them has been able to offer that up for discussion. Just fucking insults to any alternative. I told the CS to fuck off and shut the fuck up. Thats all I can do.
Cuban missile crises, remember that?
Essentially, NATO (small US...hahahaha)has creates six separate Cuban missile crises around the Russian Federation.
Time for the Russian Federation to take the garbage (NATO/US) out to the curb.
What Sucks? We are all doomed if the Russians keep their promises. Hope all are ready....and put not the blame on the the Russian Federation. Put it where it squarely belongs...the US/Nato security industrial complex, who needs an enemy to justify their huge budgets. SCS Out
Remember the Maine.
Why do you repost someone's entire verbiage, that you reference, when you could simply state "in reference to the above post by... whom ever?" And then you do it 2 separate times!
Stupid is what stupid does.
Are you really that stupid?
Beware of the trund.
So now you find stupid to be unacceptable and
accept being retarded. Don't forget to eat
your space potato's.
The Left handed path likes to cast during a new moon.
When does the 48 hours run out, 12.00pm Friday 21st or some other time?
If this war starts and progresses; will there be a general call up?
Does the west have any genuine, moral and reasonable leaders, that will agree a negotiated solution?
They will not honor ANY agreement they make they only say that in order to get a ceasefire. Because of this past track record Putin better decimate them completely FAST or the outcome might not be what it should be. Namely.. Russia wins and nato is DESTROYED. I pray for this because I would rather be dead then live under nato and their virus nightmare.
The USA sabotaged it - stopping the Ukraine from fulfilling its agreements (new Constitution etc).
As regards the clock running out....it already has.
All that Russia wishes to do in response to the refusal of NATO to back off, - is being done.
Long range weapons, and supporting troops in Kaliningrad and Belarus are being installed - today. Diplomats and military are in Cuba, bound for Venezuela discussing new military bases. Russia is selling off dollar assets from its National Wealth Fund.
And for the EU - Russia does not have to sell gas to them.
Jan. 19, 2022
Updated 5:10 p.m. ET
KYIV, Ukraine — Two days before a meeting
with the Russian foreign minister, Secretary of
State Antony J. Blinken on Wednesday
appeared to reject one of Moscow’s central
requests, saying he would not provide his
counterpart with the written response to
Russia’s demands on Eastern European
security that the Kremlin says it expects.
YOU "WILL NOT" SHOOT YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS, IMPOSSIBLE! God has taken away "EVERY" PROTECTION BUT HIMSELF, NOW HE KNOWS WE MUST REPENT TO HEAL OUR LAND.
SO CALM DOWN YOU RAMBOS. IVE SAID MANY TIMES , THEY HAVENT FORCED OUR 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHT BECAUSE THEY KNOW , THERE IS "NO" SHOOTING OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THINKING WE CAN WIN A WAR WITH FLINTLOCKS ONLY LOL.
GOD IS OUR ONLY HOPE!
It is known that Zelensky is trying to do some talks with Russia.
Zelensky gave a televised speech earlier today calling for calm going forward. Zelensky is an actor by trade so was able to give this speech with a straight face, though he appears to be rather nonchalant through out suggesting something else is afoot..........
It is well known that a large minority of the Ukrainian Military's officer corp would support moving into the Russian sphere. After the routing of the coup in Kazakhstan, is it likely that the minority has become the majority?
The Ukrainian Military in the field is an absolute mess, from poor fitting to inadequate clothing for winter conditions. Equipment in poor condition to non-existent. Keeping the troops well fed has become a real crisis. Consequently morale is in the toilet along with its consequences such as high suicide and desertion rates plus increasing drug and alcohol abuse.
Moscow is known to be supportive of a regime change, which would leave NATO/US/UK holding the bunny.
FOIA Docs Reveal Pfizer Shot Caused Avalanche of Miscarriages, Stillborn Babies
Because of this confusion, I called Pfizer and emailed questions to their media rep. Were 28 of 32 known pregnancy outcomes actually fatal in the first 10 weeks that the vaccine became available, as their report suggests? That’s an 87.5% pregnancy loss rate? And only one pregnancy outcome was “normal”? Please correct me if I’m wrong about this.
“Oh Master Robin you lost your arms in battle but you grew some nice boobs”
Quote Robin Hood Men in Tights!
“You gotta be a man to wear tights”
Check the canceled flights. They have 5g in Europe, doesn't quite make sense that suddenly they are worried about 5g in the United States. Makes more sense to avoid nuclear blasts and fallout.
OP Senators Call On Biden And NATO To Bloody Putin's Nose - GOP Senators have called on the Biden Administration and NATO to take decisive action against Russia and bloody Putin's nose.
Senator Roger Wicker told reporters on Wednesday "As of yet no one has given Vladimir Putin a bloody nose".
"I think the alliance, our friends in NATO and a bipartisan majority are prepared to assist Ukraine in making sure that if it happens this time Vladimir Putin will get a bloody nose" he added.
Wicker spoke the comments accompanied by Senator Rick Scott, Senator Rob Portman and Senator Jim Inhofe during the Senate Armed Services and Senate Foreign Relations GOP news conference on Capital Hill in Washington.
Taken from Defcon Level Warning System: https://www.defconlevel.com/european-command-news.php#breaking-news
a republican Shitbag and a democratic
Shitbag as there is between an alligator
and a crocodile.
US not to present written response to Russia’s proposals during Friday meeting — Blinken
The stall-and-waffle game is over.
truly they must be living in a dream
No sane man wants war. No sane soldier wants war. They server because in most cases they are honorable men, and/or fulfilling a duty to their country the best they can. Most don't care about lines on a map. They want to get home to their wife, girlfriend, family and/or friends. Not go die in a field in a foreign country.
It is said everything is planned years in advance. Even scripture states God declares the end from the beginning. Is. 46:10
God forbid war break out, but as was mentioned, leaders paint themselves into corners and are to prideful to step back from the cliff overlooking the abyss. As was in the time of Noah, it did take 100 years for the flood after Noah was told to build the ark. Noah was 500 years old when told to build the ark and 600 years old when the flood came. Genesis 6 & 7. So, God is longsuffering and wants man to repent and not die in his sin, but be saved.
Hollywood can do what it wants, but in this case the film is supposed to be based on a Tom Clancy book that depicted the villains as Arab terrorists. Clancy never portrayed the nuclear terrorists as neo-Nazis. The villains have been changed. In the film, neo-Nazi terrorists get their hands on a lost nuclear device, and plan to use it at the Super Bowl. The plan is to disguise the attack as being caused by Russia, in the hopes of rekindling the Cold War.
Latakia airport will be a prime target as it can be used to attack NATO ships in the Mediterranean.It would not be difficult to neutralize especially if you have cruisers with missile capability, or carrier based aircraft. Israel has had several successful hits.
The bridge over the Kerch Straight is one of the vulnerabilities, destroy that and you cut off Crimea.
Then you have Kaliningrad surrounded by NATO forces, and Romania and Georgia right in the underbelly, Russia is going to have it's work cut out defending an attack from many directions, even from the east possibly.
The war gamers have plotted carefully, forcing Russia to make the first move, so they can justify that it is due to "Russian aggression".
If you know any good prayers for PEACE now is a good time to use them!
Wonder what job he has been given ?
And the ones having us fight are laughing as they're sipping their drinks.
BTW, God wants us to turn to Him & ask for His help. Let's do that; His solutions are far better than anything we can conceive.
...But Garilov knows that the west does not have good intentions. Our gov't's have been taken over by satanic globalists, practicing witches who practice evil shi'ite. They are going to be wiped off the face of the earth along with the American gov't and much of the American people who allowed this happen b/c they're not much different from them. The west has abandoned Jesus, so Jesus is abandoning us. Nobody gets outta here alive, so you might as well face up to it, and pray for your eternal salvation. It's all you need, anyway. Just ask Jesus to come into your heart with Holy Spirit to change you, and repent of your (our) sins, and walk with the Holy Spirit through what is coming. There will be no food available, soon, except what the leftovers of the gov't has to offer, and that will come at a price of the mark of the beast. Don't sacrifice your soul for a bowl of soup. Pray to the Lord Jesus that he may keep you alive until He calls you home.
1. About Europe, read 10-12 years ago.
Europe is attacked by the Ottoman empire (Muslims). The person who had the dream said in the dream they didn't know where the attack came from. They awoke one morning and they where just there. They started slaughtering the European people with no mercy.
At the time it was impossible for me to figure how that could happen. 6-9 months later they started importing Muslims by the millions. I also remember at that time reports of boats trying to ferry guns & munitions to the area and patrols trying to stop them.
2. A dream about Ukraine. That person's dream said that all soldiers who are sent to fight & attack Russia in Ukraine are slaughtered. Russia does this to send a message to stay out of there area.
3. USA is EMPed. This causes great strife and suffering in our nation. Because of us being in such a weakened state China tries to take advantage of the opportunity and attacks us from the west. America fights hard and takes many casualties. At the point it looks like we could lose Russia comes to our aid. (Russia couldn't exist in a world where China had that much area).
There are other prophetic dreams I have read. Those 3 are big in my mind right now.
Are there others you guys have read? I'd like to read them. Would like to add more pieces to this interesting puzzle.
Re dream #1: I've mentioned the following info here before so if you've already seen it I apologize.
Several years back, I remember reading a note about the Italian police interdicting a 40ft container that was chock full with way over 800 Turkish combat shotguns plus 1,000's of shells of ammunition (12 ga.). It was headed for a series of mosques in several central European countries.
The police said that they knew that this was a drop of water in a sea of similar contraband with destinations all over Europe. All of them headed to mosques.
Nothing has been done about it because for the ones on the ground who know about it, it's way above their pay grade, and for those who could do something about it, they are dirty traitors who are on the take.
And you're right; one fine day like any other, the Europeans will wake up to the sound of heavy shotgun fire outside their homes, then in their neighbors' houses, and then in theirs and they won't have a clue as to what is happening. Clueless to the bitter end.
The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened at some moment between the next few weeks and the end of September/October of this year. Then the weather will turn bad again.
The same is bound to happen in certain areas of the U.S. and Canada (they don't call it Kanuckistan for nothing), notably around Dearborn, Michigan and other places and in most of Eastern Canada.
I don't know if you've noticed that now they are making killer drones. One was recently used in Libya. Those will become ever more capable and with ever better night/day/all weather sensors. Their batteries are also improving tremendously, increasing their range substantially.
They will start applying those improvements and more on land-based battle-robots, of the kind that several of the world's militaries now have in operation.
Being in the mountains will soon cease to provide any significant protection.
I posit that our last stand is here and now, in the urban and suburban areas before the leviathan gets too large to defeat or escape from.
Remember, we have no great military leaders like we had in WW2 - Patton, MacArthur, etc. Those military geniuses don't exist in our socially and politically dysfunctional government any more. But we have plenty of training warriors in red high heels. Pitiful and disheartening! We will lose our shorts if this war kicks off.
Russia/Putin (former KGB) will not give in to a weak and feeble American White House/Administration. Get ready!!
"Appear weak when you are strong..."
Either way, physically we can’t stop it. We might all get dragged into another world war. We may be forced to kill or be killed to survive.
Apart from prayer, we are powerless.
Everyone here has their own idea to whom to pray. I won’t presume to tell you.
Except that the God of the Bible is the only one who has proven himself over and over (Old and New Testament).
If we don’t know about Him, it’s because we don’t know the Bible.
He displayed His wonder and power in the first books Genesis and Exodus.
He will again display His power as foretold in the last book - the Revelation.
I have the right to my opinion and I realize it may be a little different then most. YOU are out of line here and need to shut the fuck up yourself. Are you a fucking doctor or something that can diagnose my intellectually? You are a piece of shit and YOU need to keep your fucking mouth shut. FUCK YOU Maggot.
Now the only "adult in the room" is Russian. Mr. Putin is a martial artist. He will give America just enough rope to hang itself. Is Biden stupid enough to stick his head in a noose? Me thinks he most certainly is!!!
Food- 6 months no less (1 year IMO)
Water- as much as you can store plus filters
Defense- usual box fed boomstick (556,223) plus back up, a side arm (IMO a full kit with platecarrier, Spare mags, IFAC (x2), belt for side arm and spare mags)
Safe house- store your preps, HQ, and comms
What else would be needed to traverse the days ahead? Thank you all for your insight and Godspeed.
To me, along with those is the Mental aspect.
Just knowing that this crap might happen soon helps us to ‘mentally prepare’.
If missiles fall in the homeland (even if we’re not sure who dropped them) it is better to NOT be caught completely by surprise.
The sheer fear and chaos among those who had NO IDEA this could happen will be astronomical.
It will still be painful and devastating but foreknowledge gives us a bit of an edge.
It's not a Reich, it's a Soviet.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy", remember?
I don't think he will.
I think everyone has dug themselves into a position that any compromise will be perceived as weakness, when it's really just diplomacy. Cooler heads always work best in times like this.
We are screwed.
Americans are 3 percent of the world's population that takes by force 30 percent of the world's resources by gun point and squaders it.
And they don't care.
The top is corrupt because of the individual s corrupt in the bottom.
Voltaire was right. As is Catherine Austin Fitts.
Even God has a breaking point.
Psalm Chapter 2:
Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
"Let us free ourselves from their rule," they say; "let us throw off their control."
The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:
“I have installed My King(CHRIST) on Zion, upon My holy mountain.”
I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: “You are My Son; and I Your Father.
Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession. You will break them with an iron scepter; You will shatter them like pottery.”
Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Bow the knee and worship the Son or He will be angry and you will perish in your rebellion, for His anger may ignite at any moment.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in HIM.
"Blessed are all those who put their trust in HIM."
Putin has expressed his despair many times that Washington cannot accept the sovereignty of other countries and learn to live together in the world. To maintain peace, all Washington needed to do was to demilitarize the NATO members that border Russia and cease adding countries to NATO. Instead, an over confident Washington drowning in hubris made a bad decision.
the west will not budge, the West cannot budge.
Budging would mean repudiating their narrative about everything. For instance, it would mean explaining why they destroyed Trump with the Russian collusion fabrication.
They would have to explain the bullshit going on with the CIA, and why CNN played so easily into the narrative, all of it. Not going to happen.
To back down from Russia, so called, and offer
the Security Gaurantees Russia requires would mean the equivelent of disrobing in public.
Liars believe their lies.
Chronic liars believe their bullshit.
Does Nuland know she is full of shit? Or, Blinken?
Or like my Dad used to say " You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make him drink:
Remember you have done what you can.
And some folks have to learn the hard way.
Blessings to you and may you find God's peace.
Daughter 1, Mental Issues,Physical Issues.......and Unstable, even violent at times she's not a resource,she's a Huge DETRIMENT.....Love her,but can't risk her being ANYWHERE near
Daughter 2 "Oh,yeah,I lived with all "that" growing up.....I'm living my life now,my way" (covid divorce,with 3 mostly adult kids) "And I'll just come back there,if I HAVE to" Yeah,probably not going to happen,sweetheart.....I love her,but honestly,she to is /will not be helpful.I'd let a couple of her kids come,the third if she don't drag her lowlife friends with her
Daughter 3,to far away to get home,but knows what's happening & has a pretty good support group around her
Daughter 4,thinks I'm nuts but humors me,has medical problems as do her kids,I'm really worried about one of those kids,needs surgery for sure & maybe chemo or won't survive...........that is my worst fear as of today for that baby...and the medical system is a FRICKIN joke..they couldn't drag their feet more if they tried
Youngest daughter is hearing & seeing,but has a newly dx'd autoimmune......and trying to wind her way thru to be able to stay awake & alert. She will do what it takes,but will have to sleep for 10 hours to recoup.....
I just pray to GOD that these Bozo's get it figured out,but see the writing on the wall.....it's just so sad.But I'm about as ready as I can be,with everything I'm dealing with
We are being called out crazy conspiracy theorists.
The existing US missile bases in Romania and Poland will be destroyed. Russia can achieve this by air or missiles and has no need to invade. It would be pointless for NATO to mobilize as its conventional forces are small compared to Russia and incapable of putting up any kind of fight against Russian armies. Russia could overrun Eastern Europe long before the US could mobilize enough forces to put up a fight.
I expect a nato response before the Russian deadline. There is no honor in the western leadership.
The Russians will be prepared for it, and respond accordingly. I would rather that everyone took their marbles home and pouted alone, than the 2 biggest morons Duke it out.
Does 5.minutes or 45 minutes prep time mean much of anything? Our leaders will not tell us.
Only when Ottawa and Washington dissappear in a fire cloud will we suspect anything. He'll maybe even then we will only suspect that the localized blackout that we are told to relax about is something more when indivually people start picking up a spike in radiation.
Our governments will still tell us that it was a planned demolition that got out of hand haha.
Remember the only reason we got word when we did about Fukushima was independent citizens were reporting the doubling of background radiation. Until it became too much to ignore, all the governments and media were denying a meltdown occurred.
The start of ww3 will be the same.
Little social experiment.
Go to a local department or Grocery store.
Ask clerk or anyone around where the local Civil Defence shelter is at.
IF they know what you are talking about they blow it off.
Mention what's going on and you will be told
" Oh that will never happen here"