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Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the West

Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the West

In a shocking statement today, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said "Russia sees no point in maintaining diplomatic presence in the West."

He continued by saying “It makes no sense, and we have no desire to maintain the same presence in Western countries. Our people work in conditions that can hardly be called human. They face constant problems, threats of physical attacks.” 

Lavrov went on to reveal "the Russian foreign ministry is currently carrying out a “geographical reorientation” of its activities both abroad and in the central office" suggesting a potential downgrade of Russia’s diplomatic presence in the West.

 

Hal Turner Remarks

Will this be a pretext for quiet embassy evac before the nukes launch?

When Diplomacy is shut off, we all know what comes next.

You know, if the United States or its NATO allies had one shred of self-respect, or one grain of honor, this whole Ukraine thing would never have taken place.  But the people running the United States Government seem to me to have no honor - at all.   They gave assurances to Russia that NATO "would not move one inch eastward"  then later did the exact thing they assured Russia would NOT be done.  That set in motion DECADES of betrayal of Russia, which have no lead us to the brink of actual nuclear war.

Our assurance was given, and recorded in official US State Department Records, on February 9, 1990.   A portion of those records appear below.

The long and short of it is this: At a meeting in Moscow between  then US Secretary of State James Baker, then Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, and then Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze, Baker spoke about the then-pending re-unification of East and West Germany.  Baker expressly stated (Page 5):

"I want you to know one thing for certain: The president and I have made clear that we seek no unilateral advantage in this process."

On the very next page (Page 6), Baker explicitly stated:

"We understand the need for assurances to the countries in the east.  If we maintain a presence in a Germany that is part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east."

For all those ignorant morons cheering Ukraine, let me educate you with facts and evidence proving we in the west - and the government of Ukraine - are in the wrong.  Here are the official US State Department records proving the United States assured the Soviet Union upon the re-unification of East and West Germany, "there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east:"

 Cover Page of Freedom of Information Act release, so you can see the file number at the bottom:

Page 5 of the release:

Page 6 of the release:

OK, so there you have it.  Official records from the US State Department.   At this point, I would like to ask YOU, when you read that, how did you interpret NATO not moving "one inch to the east?"

For me, I took this to mean exactly what it said.  No more eastward expansion.  How about you? 

Well, guess how the US government under the NEXT President, Bill Clinton, chose to interpret it.

The US Government chose to interpret it as applying ONLY INSIDE RE-UNIFIED GERMANY.

Under Clinton, the position of the United States became . . .  the wider context of these assurances was not to expand NATO eastwards at all and that NATO should have stopped at eastern Germany. Sure, that was the context when the assurances were discussed. Yet no such assurances or promises were ever given, nor could they be given without consent of parliaments of NATO states. In western statesmanship you can’t bind a future government without an act of parliament (Congress, Senate or what have you) or a precedent by the supreme (Constitutional or what have you) court. Even if some sort of assurance was given to the Soviet Union or Russia, that assurance was only as good as the term of the executive that made it.

 And that . . .  that right there  . . . is what set in motion the massive eastward expansion of NATO, right up to the border of Russia.

When Baker, Gorbachev, and Shevardnadze met, the nearest NATO base to Russia was 1200 miles away.   As you sit wherever you are right now reading this, the nearest NATO base to St. Petersburg, Russia, is only 100 miles away.   THAT's how close NATO has gotten to Russia.

It went like this:

Re-unified Germany became a NATO member in 1990, as discussed between the men named above. 

In December of the next year, the Soviet Union dissolved itself on Christmas Day.

Since the big, bad, Soviet Union no longer existed, there was -factually - no longer a reason for NATO to exist.   The reason NATO was created was to protect western Europe from Soviet Communism.  That all ended on Christmas Day 1991, and NATO should have ended with it.   It didn't.

Nine years later, under President Bill Clinton, our "assurances" against NATO expansion, went right out the window.

In 1999, NATO admitted former Soviet States Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary.

Then in 2004, under President George W. Bush, he undermined his own father's Presidential assurances, and NATO admitted former Soviet states Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria.  (How's that for "honorable?")

With the admission of Estonia, NATO troops got onto bases only 100 miles from St. Petersburg, Russia.

Here's a map/timeline of NATO's expansion:

The Russians balked. Loudly.  And that's when they were told, show us the Treaty or your claims have no merit.  Right then and there, Russia found out that the word of a US President, was worthless.

And at the time, there wasn't much Russia could do about it.   They were still repairing the damage of 70+ years of filthy Communist rule, and, by the way, still paying off the DEBTS of the former Soviet Union.

Bet you didn't know that about Russia, did you?   RUSSIA HONORED ALL THE OLD SOVIET DEBTS.

Yet all that somehow wasn't good enough for the West.  In 2009, NATO expanded again.  In 2014, the West overthrew the democratically elected President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovich, by financing and facilitating violent riots in the streets of Ukraine.   When Yanukovich was overthrown, the US and EU financed the election of pro-western puppets in Ukraine, to bring Ukraine into NATO, so as to be able to put US missile defenses inside Ukraine.

Russia flatly refused to allow this to happen.  Russia pointed out that US missiles in Ukraine would have about a five minute flight time to Moscow, and about a 7 to 10 minute flight time to Russia's nuclear missile silos.   Russia made clear all the way back then, that Ukraine joining NATO was a "red line" for them that Russia would not tolerate.

NATO (The US and EU) ignored Russia.   NATO expanded again in 2017, and formally began considering Ukraine and Georgia (to the south of Russia) in 2019.

Russia balked over and over, and was ignored.

In late December, 2021, Russia put forth a Treaty proposal to obtain iron clad, legally enforceable security guarantees.   NATO laughed at the proposal and threw it in the trash.

Four days later, Russia delivered the same Treaty Proposal via Diplomatic Courier, to the White House, to #10 Downing Street in London, and to the Presidents/Prime Ministers of all NATO countries, making the exact same proposal but this time saying "If Russia cannot obtain iron clad, legally enforceable security guarantees via Diplomatic means, it will obtain them by military or military-technical means."

The US and NATO took about three weeks to respond, and when they did, the Treaty was again rejected out of hand, to the sounds of laughter.

About a month later, on February 24, 2022, Russia did exactly what they said they would do and began a Special Military Operation to De-militarize and de-Nazify Ukraine. 

The West, stunned that Russia did exactly what they said they would do, erupted in a hissy fit, and started helping Ukraine.   And the meddling of the West has now gotten us to the point, where we are literally ONE MISTAKE AWAY from actual nuclear war.

All this because we in the West did not honor our assurances, then commenced an aggressive campaign to literally surround Russia with NATO troops, bases, and missiles.

If you were the Russians, how would you feel?  What would YOU do?

Diplomacy failed.  Russia has no choice but to act militarily now, and it is all because we in the West lied, broke our word, and surrounded Russia with missiles.

Now, it may be only weeks until nuclear war destroys us all.

All for lack of honor.  By us.

We are in the wrong here.

Comments   

# Diplomacy is finishedMp 2022-10-21 18:16
Well it’s over.
+2 # Excellent summary.The Infant Phenomenon 2022-10-19 07:21
It's not clear whether Lavrov means to sever diplomatic relations entirely or simply somehow not to "maintain the same presence" in the West.

But he also says that there seems no point to "maintain a diplomatic presence in the West."

So it's not clear what he means to say, and it's probably deliberately vague. But it's certainly a Bad Sign.

Excellent article!
+3 # Untill the Nukes landdaniel_martin 2022-10-19 05:24
People Will still obsessed about Sports and Celebrities. Indeed, The Bible says that BABYLON has a "Multitude of Idols"
# Next showtheshaw2000 2022-10-19 03:42
I was thinking maybe on your next show Hal, you could go through a detailed history of the development of this conflict starting from the Maiden coup in 2014, the breakdown of the Minsk agreement, and tie it together to the expansion of NATO that happened after the fall of the Soviet Union. Maybe even go into the parallels with the Cuban Missile Crisis for a broader historical perspective.
# Next showchip 2022-10-19 08:19
He already has done that
# loltheshaw2000 2022-10-19 17:45
I know
# BossBoss 2022-10-19 00:56
The historical background from Gorbachav to today was very well done. I was not aware that Iceland was an intitial member of NATO.
# Sergei LavrovWoulf 2022-10-18 22:57
With the "respect" I have for him, I can see "his point of view". With a "Who raised you, who taught you your manners". A "guy" that can handle the "press". With no BS. I would start a "fan club" but..
"How long" will you try to "reason" with psychopaths and physico killers. How many "scars" do you need, I have "1".
Valley Of Wolves - "Lifted High" (Official Audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAMzHun3u7A
For those "still" reading this, you know what that makes you? How many "labels" do you need? Outlaw, renegade or etc..
"We're Back"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dWCzG8Orms
When you are "theirs", you are "golden". When things go "sideways", and you are "not"? "WELCOME" to the "real world".
+12 # RE: Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the WestMSNews 2022-10-18 22:22
How can you make any agreements with the west, they always lie, cheat, murder, and steal.

Just ask the American Indian, he knows quite well about the usa corrupt govt and their "agreements" and "treaties".
+9 # Excellent narrativeRussG 2022-10-18 22:03
Hal, what you wrote is an excellent and absolutely accurate report of the historical events that took place. unfortunately, the masses will never read this or hear the truth another way. The on-the-ground survey of those in New York, asking them to show where Ukraine and Russia are located, was pitiful and hopeless.

Still, we must have hope. Thanks for the article.
# BossBoss 2022-10-19 01:01
Geography has never been well-taught during my teaching career at the secondary level. Even my uncle, who taught College- level history would start his American history class in the fall by giving a test over the name and location of the 50 states. Very few of his students would pass the test.
-1 # RE: Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the WestEddamnit 2022-10-18 21:42
Watch that "we" and "us" stuff.
+2 # Nuke goes off?rhedtcke 2022-10-18 21:41
https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/status/1582522805697945601
+1 # RE: Nuke goes off?JFY 2022-10-18 23:00
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Good find.
+3 # #RussiaKathrynM 2022-10-18 21:40
This is beginning to look like a very defined step by step war plan to cause as much death, destruction and despair in every other country around the world until they create a single block of 'The World against the USA' and out of desperate survival, obliterate the USA. England will turn its back out of self preservation.

This feels exactly as it appears, an open attack on all Americans. Liberals just don't realize they are being attacked as well, maybe even first with all the genetic editing.

Oh, and I cracked up at the word game politicians and liars use "I disagree with your 'characterization of that word". They just change definitions. That has to be the most obvious lie they can use but it's kinda shocking when a practiced liar just changes a definition, like Clinton did with 'sex with that woman'. Word parsing is a devious method of language trickery and highly effective.
+2 # Clinton......."that depends on what you're definition of is, is?"LilBirdie 2022-10-18 23:27
Yah, libs change definitions....lol
# hitlery's uranium onePSKYWAY 2022-10-18 21:32
making a round trip
# ESCAPE FROM New YorkPSKYWAY 2022-10-18 21:26
before the Tsunami.......there is NO HONOR among thieves...
+3 # RE: ESCAPE FROM New YorkWoulf 2022-10-18 22:05
Where is "Snake Plissken" when you need him. Glad that Hal bugged out. If not the nukes, then just the "crazies". NYC has gone "bat sh*t" crazy. In the days of C19, the "pun" was intended.
+1 # █▓▒░ Lavrov does not see the point in maintaining his former presence in Europe ░▒▓█Palehorse 2022-10-18 21:04
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MOSCOW, Oct 18 — RIA Novosti

Lavrov said that Russia has no meaning and
desire to maintain its previous presence in the
West

"It makes no sense and there is no desire to maintain its
former presence in Western countries. Our people work in
conditions that are difficult to call human. They are created
by constant problems, threats of physical attacks. The
main thing — there is no work, since Europe decided to
close from us and stop any economic cooperation. You won’t
be forcibly sweet, "TAG1> said the minister.


https://ria.ru/20221018/evropa-1824955703.html

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# Southern Comfort southern hospitality unless you don't belong their.Garyhines 2022-10-18 21:01
Southern Comfort southern hospitality unless you don't belong their. Hal might have to sick the Damn dogs on Biden Five Rottweilers ripped arm off tear him to pieces same goes for .bitch McConnell & Faggot Lindsey graham.he get lost think he saw a helicopter and fall into quicksand and never to be seen again..you going to fight your way out hear. You going to be running for your Life.
+1 # RE: Southern Comfort southern hospitality unless you don't belong their.Woulf 2022-10-18 21:53
When you "kick" a man's door in, hurt his family, kill his livestock and burn his barns. You "create" guys like the "Swamp Fox". He "cut his teeth" fighting the Indian wars. Down and dirty under a "Black Flag". No "quarter" asked for and "none" given.
+2 # Russians could have known....Onno 2022-10-18 20:56
......as they entered Dresden in 1945, they should have realized this was of devilish pure evil nature.......
+9 # WWIIIVercinge 2022-10-18 20:51
Hal, your acknowledgment of the truth that nails your country to its terrible responsibilities is commendable. Allow me to add that, in my opinion, American Diplomacy (and Government, of course), piloted by Zionism, signed the agreements with the USSR already knowing that they would never honor them. In other words, it is even worse, much worse, because it was an exquisitely diabolical deception carried out by stealing the good faith of the other party. It has practically been a trap to be able to continue the encirclement of Russia which otherwise, without the false agreement, could not even have begun. Behaviors of this kind are of unprecedented gravity, especially before God, who will be strictly obliged to punish in order to respect Himself and His own Justice.
And He will do it using Russia, the king of the North as the Book of Revelation defines it, also specifying that modern Babylon (USA) will fall in ONE HOUR.
# RE: WWIIIdaniel_martin 2022-10-19 05:28
Theres a Jewish Prophecy saying this War Will last 12 minutes. In 12 minutes NATO is gone
+2 # RE: WWIIIRockyMountainBeerMan 2022-10-18 22:02
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Not our country/citizens, but the bureaucrat schmucks in power, hence Trump's desire to drain the swamp.

Next time, the first words out of his mouth need to be, "YOURE ALL FIRED!".
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+15 # America’s Only HopeSgrant 2022-10-18 20:30
America’s only solution is to return to God. A people that break God’s laws will also break their own laws. The whole world, including American citizens, are the victims of a lying nation and government. Honor will only return when we revere the rule of law…God’s law and our law…once again.
+6 # Agreed but it’s not going to happen.supporttheblue 2022-10-18 20:59
God may intervene but short of that we’re going to war. No way around it. Here, in the US against our leadership, or there or both.
-10 # RE: Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the Westmeanize1962 2022-10-18 20:26
Where is a needle I'm met NATO you have to talk to the generals the brass you have to start doing this type of medically worldwide you should increase your presence you should increase reaching out to these foreign countries you should try to get your oil going again with the ones you consider your enemy if they know your intentions everything Will change your president got everything too locked up it's cut it out start talking more more more more more please for God's sake we all don't want to die in a nuclear Holocaust or biological attack or chemical attack you're running into this this scenario is going to come out unless you start an increase your diplomatic moves increase use your people to tell the enemy when your intentions come right now and have guts instead of gutless but we're not going to live much longer we won't make it before the first snowfall
+7 # Wwhiskey Tango Foxtrot over?Bruce Mueller 2022-10-18 21:22
What the hell did you just say?
+13 # I Personally Recall This.Doug Brown 2022-10-18 20:23
Many personally remember this agreement.
I remember.
Not one inch east.
Not one inch.
I was a teen but I remember.
The former USSR was no more.
I always thought part of the agreement of the
dissolution was this deal.
They recently asked Blinken, Secretary of
State, if he knew anything about such an
agreement?
He responded No. No deal was ever made.
+1 # maybe the worshipful master of TexasPSKYWAY 2022-10-18 21:30
was crossing his fingers when he said that......or killed a chicken...
-9 # For Russiameanize1962 2022-10-18 20:22
Russia you want to know what your problem is you have to stand up in private discussions with foreign governments you have to speak the intentions of your president you have to tell the enemy your next move you have to tell them where you're going to stop and you have to tell them you know that they are not on your side with this but this is what you're going to do this is your intentions it was done every day all day long under you it was done so much and I don't even want to go into any detail I have how many times in a day debt scenario went around with foreign governments now you have to do that now you're the government you have to talk to the Pentagon to the breast you have to tell them we know you're giving away we know you're worried that we're going to hit everything and needle but the president is said his intention to court out to put in a new democrat government fully elected with Moscow running the elections and that's where we're stopping now if Georgia acts up we will go in there too you have to convey the intentions of you people unless you want to fight you don't tell them your intentions even if it is against what they're telling you to do you have to stand up to them in the conversations and let them know if they don't know they're going to assume the worst and they will start attacking you before you attack them if you people forgotten how to run a government over there come on now get with it
+2 # WWIIIVercinge 2022-10-18 20:15
PROPHECY OF ST. EDWARD KING OF ENGLAND (XI th c.)

“The extreme corruption and wickedness of the English nation has provoked the just anger of God. When malice has reached the fullness of its measure, God will, in His wrath, send to the English people (1.) evil spirits who will punish and afflict them with severity by (2.) separating the green tree from its parent stem [Rome] ... .." Prophecy of St. Edward King of England (11th c.)

(1.) It is a historical fact that the Heresiarch Henry VIII (like Luther) used the occult Kabbalah in the formulation of his pervert sect.

(2.) The Anglican schism predicted centuries before its actual occurrence.
What follows (below) is Pope St. Pius V's papal bulla Regnans in Excelsis deposing the pretend queen Elizabeth I and laying England under interdict. Pius V declares "the servant of wickedness" Elizabeth, to be a heretic and releases all her subjects from any allegiance to her.


https://www.tcwblog.com/182861438/1286760/posting/st-pius-v-s-bulla-condemning-pretend-queen-elizabeth-i
+12 # RE: Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the WestFewThereBe 2022-10-18 20:08
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We (America-Babylon) are the baddies.
+1 # RE: Russia: "No Point" to continued Diplomatic Presence in the WestSgrant 2022-10-18 20:27
We are certainly in the wrong, but America is not Babylon in Scripture. What comes next is going to shock even a lot of Christians.
+2 # Downhill at the speed of knots!Hope springs 2022-10-18 20:08
Thank you, Hal..for putting it all down so lucidly and in black and white! Agree with you, there’s no honour left in the West..its been frittered away over the years. Time to sing, “Qe sera sera!?”
-13 # Important for Russiameanize1962 2022-10-18 20:06
I remember hearing Mr Turner on his program saying that they would not allow Biden inside the Pentagon the Pentagon he's trying to invent your hostility so the pentacon will let him in there and give him the briefcase with the nuclear codes I think and won the Congress because Republican in the Senate is Republican may be barely things will start to turn around for Russia you send your government folks over there to talk to the Congress give them messages from your president let them know your beef inside the Congress Halls not the one congressman but to the whole of Congress let them know you're intentions speak to the government honestly I believe you're good people and you're good country and I think that the gentleman and the White House now doesn't have long in there he'll probably be out the beginning of the year who they put in charger it could be the head of Congress he has grossly overstepped his bounds he is grossly been corrupt with the Ukrainian government and I'm sure Congress of the United States will want England and Germany to be hot this winter if he can get the Pentagon to do special ops and take out your pipeline that means you're hostility is shown and working to his benefit you must start smiling being nice and get your homework ready to go to Congress to Congress the head of Congress might be president next January it's a very very likelihood likelihood
+3 # DudeBruce Mueller 2022-10-18 21:25
You know you only get paid for one post per day right?
-13 # Something importantmeanize1962 2022-10-18 19:57
So Russia I'm talking about social security it'll be shut down so long this government social security will be affected in folks won't get their checks when they go and they vote Republican and they're voting for grid lock government which is what else American people need and you'll need American power scaled back America threats scaled back America military action scaled back your good days are coming they're right around the corner Russia and they're better for us too don't go give up now please don't the military didn't even want inviting in there headquarters to get the new codes and the suitcase suitcase so come hang on there
-14 # Russia please staymeanize1962 2022-10-18 19:55
Russia please stay don't leave midterms are coming up it'll probably be a republican landslide in Congress and Senate they'll probably have the government shut down for a while over balanced budget so security probably be under threats the last so long I'm a pretty good predictor don't leave I think the whole government from top to bottom will be changing shortly they'll have to change their behavior too especially when the Congress and the Senate start asking our allies to side with them against the current government it will happen it takes time God will come through light will shine a little better day for Russia will be here you have to believe that you have to follow the light please I'm asking you to stay don't scale anything back please rush her stay please Russia
this day back around the early 2000 I thought everything was Doom and gloom and I was ready to have my life and good things will come my way then I had a girlfriend and everything after not having a girlfriend for 20 years doors just started opening for me little did I know Mr Putin's birthday changed along all that I only found out about a year ago maybe three or four years ago I'm talking to you l a v r o v
+13 # NZ s problemNZ KIWI 2022-10-18 19:49
is similar, its in fact the same problem how do you promote RATIONAL SANE CONVERSATIONS with people who truly believe FARTING COWS AND SHEEP ARE ALTERING THE CLIMATE ???
+2 # Re: NZ s problemJ Grayman 2022-10-18 21:28
Now that's a good point!
Funny and sad!
+1 # Re: NZ s problemJ Grayman 2022-10-18 21:28
Deleted repeated post
+10 # PRAYINGDean Easterling 2022-10-18 19:43
Praying for PEACE, preparing for war, life of all my family old and very young is in real danger if war happens. THEREFORE, PRAYING FOR PEACE!!!!!!
+4 # RE: PRAYINGWoulf 2022-10-18 22:01
Rather it is for "peace" or victory in a "war". You can "never" go wrong "Praying".

 

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